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From Erik Hatcher <e...@ehatchersolutions.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
Date Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:50:57 GMT
Count me in for providing whatever assistance I can spare for helping 
Tapestry join Jakarta.  Just ping me and let me know what if anything I 
can do to help.


Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Mr Ship,
> I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here will 
> feel the same as I on this).  The opinion of Tapestry joining is very good.
> Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything.  So different 
> people feel
> differently.  We're still ironing out a new process as Pier said, 
> however most folks I've
> spoken to have felt that the Apache voting rules must be adopted as a 
> first step not
> later.  Dion and I have both committed to helping you with this 
> transition (though I don't
> think he ever stated so publically...Dion?).  And I'll be happy to 
> subscribe to the tapestry
> list if you desire and help you build the structure.
> The steps as I see them:
> 1. Adopt apache voting rules
> 2. Vote to join and relicense (in one swoop)
> 3. Submit a formal proposal
> 4. You're in
> The challenges ahead are:
> 1. Apache: figure out what the procedure is that you will join under  
>      (my position is it doesn't matter as long as things are relaxed on 
> you because we wanted
>       to try something out and that things aren't full of extra hurdles 
> because the procedure is
>       in transition)
> 2. Tapestry: Find your voting committers, reorganize yourself into a 
> meritocratic structure
> 3. All: Patience and due dilligence.
> Me & Dion
> 1. Find a sponsoring member
> 2. Assist you in reorganizing
> 3. Assist you in your propoasal
> 4. Make our case
> 5. Assist you in getting your sources/structures here.
> Thats as clearly as i can lay it out.  Hopefully others will chime in 
> constructively and clear up anything I got wrong or is fuzzy ;-)
> -Andy
> Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>> On 26/10/02 15:01, "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hlship@attbi.com> wrote:
>>> So, this went out about a week ago, and the guidelines only cover as 
>>> far as
>>> publishing a proposal on the Jakarta General List.  What is the next 
>>> step?
>>> So far, I haven't seen any real negative responses, and a lot of positive
>>> ones (I think a lot of ex-WebObjects folks are lurking about :-)).  I 
>>> could
>>> summarize in more detail if that would be helpful.  Obviously, the PMC
>>> hasn't really weighed in.  Again, what next?
>> Not being a committer to any of the Jakarta projects, and not being a PMC
>> member, I can't say much on this, but from a general feeling that I gather
>> from different parts of the foundation, I would say that _right_now_ the
>> timing is not that great because of the "big reorg" going around ASF wide.
>> But the decision is left to the Jakarta committers and PMC members...
>>    Pier
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