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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Turning Off Bb-fbsd2
Date Fri, 10 Feb 2017 00:46:46 GMT
Thanks for the explanation. Is there documentation anywhere about Apache infrastructure's standards
and requirements for external slaves?

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Allen Wittenauer <aw@effectivemachines.com>
> wrote:
>> ...
> 
>>        The Mac OS X host was shut down literally a day after I sent out
>> an email to common-dev@hadoop announcing I had full build and patch
>> testing working.  I had spent quite a bit of time getting Apache Yetus
>> ported over to work on Apache's OS X machine, then spent over a month on
>> working out the Hadoop specifics, running build after build after build.
>> Competing with the Apache Mesos jobs that also ran on that box. The reason
>> I was told it was killed was: "no one was using it".  (Umm, what?  Clearly
>> no one bothered looking at the build log.)
>> 
> 
> This occurred before I started working as the Infrastructure Administrator
> (last Fall). I don't know the full background, other than a PMC requested
> that buildbot, then never used it. Yeah: maybe the build logs weren't
> examined to see that other projects had hopped onto it.
> 
> I also believe we had to pay for that box, and it wasn't cheap.
> 
> Today, our preferred model for non-Ubuntu boxes is to have other people
> own/run/manage those buildbots and hook them into our buildmaster. For
> example, people on the Apache Subversion project have several such 'bots.
> 
> We are concentrating our in-house experience on the Ubuntu platform, from
> both an operational and a cost angle. Four years ago, the Infra team had
> many fewer projects to support. Today, we have hundreds of projects and
> many thousands of committers to support. We've had to reallocate in order
> to meet the incredible growth of the ASF.
> 
> Unfortunately, especially for yourself and some others, the "smoothing down
> the edges" has been detrimental.
> 
>        In parallel, I started working on the Solaris box.... which was
>> then promptly shutdown not too long after I had filed a jira to see if we
>> could get the base CA certificates upgraded. (which was pretty much all I
>> needed, after that I could have finished getting the Hadoop builds working
>> on it as well).
>> 
> 
> We're still shutting down Solaris. Only one guy has experience with it, and
> he's also got a ton of other stuff to do.
> 
> Our hardware that runs Solaris is also *very* old. Worse: we could never
> get a support contract for it. They wouldn't sell us one (messed up, but
> there it is). We really need to get that box fully shut down, unracked, and
> thrown out.
> 
>        These were huge blows to Apache Hadoop, as one of the common
>> complaints amongst committers is the lack of resources to do cross platform
>> testing. Given the ASF had that infrastructure in place, being in this
>> position was kind of dumb of the project.  Now the machines are gone and as
>> a result, the portability of the code is still very hit or miss and the ASF
>> is worse for it.
>> 
> 
> Apache Hadoop is worse for it. As Gavin has noted, just in the past year,
> we've increased our build farm dramatically. I believe the ASF is better
> for it. We also have a team better focused to support the growth of the ASF.
> 
> We can all agree that turning off services sucks for some projects and
> people. But our growth has made demands upon the Foundation and its Infra
> team that have forced our hand. We also have a funding model that just
> doesn't support us hiring a team large enough to retain the disparate array
> of services that we offered in the past.
> 
> 
>>        Since that time, I've helped get the PowerPC build up and running,
>> but that's been about it... and even then, I spend little-to-no time on the
>> ASF-side of the build bits for those projects I'm interested simply because
>> I have no idea if I'll be wasting my time because "whoops, we've changed
>> direction again".
> 
> 
> Again, we'll happily link any buildbot into our buildmaster, so you can
> automate builds on your special bots. As you can see from above, we won't
> be doing PowerPC. Just Ubuntu for all machines and services from now on.
> This allows us (via Puppet) to easily reallocate, move, upgrade, and
> maintain our services. Years ago, each machine was manually configured, and
> when it went down, the Foundation suffered. Today, if a machine goes down,
> we can spin it back up in an hour or two due to the consistency.
> 
> I do sympathize that our service reduction is painful. But I hope you can
> understand where the Foundation (and its Infra team) is coming from. We
> have vastly more projects to support today, meaning more uniformity is
> required.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Greg Stein,
> Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


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