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From Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>
Subject Re: volunteering for ASF Jenkins farm service maintenance
Date Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:24:10 GMT
> >  thanks again for volunteering, appreciate the help
was this an april's fool?

Regards,

Hervé

Le mercredi 2 avril 2014 02:34:04 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> Hi Jake,
> 
> this page doesn't tell anything about volunteering, and seems not really
> updated:
> 
> - on "FAQ For PMCs" side,  there is a list of Jenkins admins that seems
> really not accurate
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins#Who_maintains_the_Jenkins_servers.3F
> 
> - on "FAQ For Administrators" side, the svn link "more info on
> administering" seems not updated
> 
> I personnally updated the page with as much recent info as I could, like
> crius change, but never got feed back nor found who knows more accurate
> info (like which slave can be administered by who, since it seems that
> Windows nodes for example are not like Ubuntu, or Hadoop or Lucene).
> 
> So the question remains: how do we sign up?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le mardi 1 avril 2014 03:03:03 Jake Farrell a écrit :
> > Please see http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins for details on the
> > process, thanks again for volunteering, appreciate the help
> > 
> > -Jake
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:24 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala
> 
> <bigosmallm@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Mar 31, 2014 11:15 PM, "Jake Farrell" <jfarrell@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > Hey Om
> > > > You are right, talk is cheap. being an admin on any one of the systems
> > > 
> > > that
> > > 
> > > > we run is more than maintaining your pet project and more about
> > > > providing
> > > > reliable systems for all of our projects to use. I'm sorry that your
> > > > project is experiencing a problem with one of our systems. There is an
> > > 
> > > open
> > > 
> > > > issue for this currently, INFRA-7488, and it has been assigned and is
> > > 
> > > being
> > > 
> > > > worked on and it is understood that this is a pain point that needs to
> > > > be
> > > > addressed for Apache Flex. We appreciate your understanding as we work
> > > > through all of the open issues that we face and if you are interested
> > > > we
> > > > are always looking for volunteers who are willing to step up and help.
> > > 
> > > I already volunteered to help.  I volunteer again.  How do I sign up?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Om
> > > 
> > > > Thanks again for your patience in this
> > > > -Jake
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <
> > > 
> > > bigosmallm@gmail.com
> > > 
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > Hervé,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for bringing this issue up.  I second everything you said.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Having a good build system is essential for a project's success.
 I
> > > > > am
> > > 
> > > sure
> > > 
> > > > > the ASF realises this, which is why they have invested in all the
> > > 
> > > hardware
> > > 
> > > > > on which the build systems run.  But it is of really no use to us
> > > 
> > > because
> > > 
> > > > > there is no one around to actively maintain and provide support for
> > > > > it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know that the admins are volunteers and that they have a real life
> > > > > as
> > > > > well.  But, I am a volunteer too.  Every week I get only a few hours
> > > > > to
> > > > > spare working on my choice of an open source project.  But I often
> > > > > have
> > > 
> > > to
> > > 
> > > > > end up trying to fix a broken build on a server on which I don't
> > > > > have
> > > 
> > > real
> > > 
> > > > > access to, that nobody wants to provide support.  No one responds
to
> > > > > emails.  There is very little reaction to JIRA tickets.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, talk is cheap.  I am here to offer my time to fix the builds
> > > 
> > > issues
> > > 
> > > > > so that at least my project of choice (Apache Flex) benefits from
> > > > > it.
> > >  
> > >  If I
> > >  
> > > > > have additional time, I can help out with other build issues as
> > > > > well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What does it take to become an admin for Jenkins builds at the ASF?
> > >  
> > >  What
> > >  
> > > > > does it take for the current admins to take notice and realize that
> > > 
> > > this is
> > > 
> > > > > a real problem?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Om
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On Mar 30, 2014 4:47 AM, "Hervé BOUTEMY" <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Like many people in ASF projects, I need a good CI service:
> > > > > > Jenkins
> > > 
> > > is a
> > > 
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > tool, then I expected ASF Jenkins farm to give a good service.
> > > > > > That's
> > > 
> > > not
> > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > case for a few monthes (no pun intended).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then I'm trying to help by reporting problems, updating
> > > > > > documentation
> > > 
> > > on
> > > 
> > > > > > wiki
> > > > > > page, trying to answer to people on the list who face same
> > > > > > problems
> > > 
> > > than
> > > 
> > > > > > me,
> > > > > > ping people able to do something (trying not to upset them).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From these monthes, I only saw few Jenkins admins working on
> > > 
> > > problems,
> > > 
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > the same 2 or 3 (not all on the wiki page). But they seem to
have
> > > 
> > > little
> > > 
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > to fix immediate issues. And I don't see any plan for fixing
> > > 
> > > recurring
> > > 
> > > > > > problems,
> > > > > > apart from master machine change in january: maybe I'm not on
the
> > > 
> > > right
> > > 
> > > > > > list,
> > > > > > maybe there is nothing done.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm ready to give time on this service. But I need to know how
to
> > > 
> > > engage
> > > 
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > people interested in recurring problems, discuss plans to improve
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > service.
> > > > > > Having admin rights on the farm can help, but without discussion
> > > > > > with
> > > 
> > > the
> > > 
> > > > > > Jenkins farm admins team to decrypt problems and choose a
> > > > > > concerted
> > > > > > solution,
> > > > > > that will only do half of a solution (better than nothing)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Please let me know how to help to get a better service.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hervé


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