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From Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>
Subject Re: volunteering for ASF Jenkins farm service maintenance
Date Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:34:04 GMT
Hi Jake,

this page doesn't tell anything about volunteering, and seems not really 
updated:

- on "FAQ For PMCs" side,  there is a list of Jenkins admins that seems really 
not accurate 
http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins#Who_maintains_the_Jenkins_servers.3F

- on "FAQ For Administrators" side, the svn link "more info on administering" 
seems not updated

I personnally updated the page with as much recent info as I could, like crius 
change, but never got feed back nor found who knows more accurate info (like 
which slave can be administered by who, since it seems that Windows nodes for 
example are not like Ubuntu, or Hadoop or Lucene).

So the question remains: how do we sign up?

Regards,

Hervé

Le mardi 1 avril 2014 03:03:03 Jake Farrell a écrit :
> Please see http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins for details on the
> process, thanks again for volunteering, appreciate the help
> 
> -Jake
> 
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:24 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala 
<bigosmallm@gmail.com>wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 2014 11:15 PM, "Jake Farrell" <jfarrell@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hey Om
> > > You are right, talk is cheap. being an admin on any one of the systems
> > 
> > that
> > 
> > > we run is more than maintaining your pet project and more about
> > > providing
> > > reliable systems for all of our projects to use. I'm sorry that your
> > > project is experiencing a problem with one of our systems. There is an
> > 
> > open
> > 
> > > issue for this currently, INFRA-7488, and it has been assigned and is
> > 
> > being
> > 
> > > worked on and it is understood that this is a pain point that needs to
> > > be
> > > addressed for Apache Flex. We appreciate your understanding as we work
> > > through all of the open issues that we face and if you are interested we
> > > are always looking for volunteers who are willing to step up and help.
> > 
> > I already volunteered to help.  I volunteer again.  How do I sign up?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> > 
> > > Thanks again for your patience in this
> > > -Jake
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <
> > 
> > bigosmallm@gmail.com
> > 
> > >wrote:
> > > > Hervé,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for bringing this issue up.  I second everything you said.
> > > > 
> > > > Having a good build system is essential for a project's success.  I am
> > 
> > sure
> > 
> > > > the ASF realises this, which is why they have invested in all the
> > 
> > hardware
> > 
> > > > on which the build systems run.  But it is of really no use to us
> > 
> > because
> > 
> > > > there is no one around to actively maintain and provide support for
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > I know that the admins are volunteers and that they have a real life
> > > > as
> > > > well.  But, I am a volunteer too.  Every week I get only a few hours
> > > > to
> > > > spare working on my choice of an open source project.  But I often
> > > > have
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > end up trying to fix a broken build on a server on which I don't have
> > 
> > real
> > 
> > > > access to, that nobody wants to provide support.  No one responds to
> > > > emails.  There is very little reaction to JIRA tickets.
> > > > 
> > > > Again, talk is cheap.  I am here to offer my time to fix the builds
> > 
> > issues
> > 
> > > > so that at least my project of choice (Apache Flex) benefits from it.
> >  
> >  If I
> >  
> > > > have additional time, I can help out with other build issues as well.
> > > > 
> > > > What does it take to become an admin for Jenkins builds at the ASF?
> >  
> >  What
> >  
> > > > does it take for the current admins to take notice and realize that
> > 
> > this is
> > 
> > > > a real problem?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Om
> > > > 
> > > >  On Mar 30, 2014 4:47 AM, "Hervé BOUTEMY" <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Like many people in ASF projects, I need a good CI service: Jenkins
> > 
> > is a
> > 
> > > > > good
> > > > > tool, then I expected ASF Jenkins farm to give a good service.
> > > > > That's
> > 
> > not
> > 
> > > > > the
> > > > > case for a few monthes (no pun intended).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then I'm trying to help by reporting problems, updating
> > > > > documentation
> > 
> > on
> > 
> > > > > wiki
> > > > > page, trying to answer to people on the list who face same problems
> > 
> > than
> > 
> > > > > me,
> > > > > ping people able to do something (trying not to upset them).
> > > > > 
> > > > > From these monthes, I only saw few Jenkins admins working on
> > 
> > problems,
> > 
> > > > > always
> > > > > the same 2 or 3 (not all on the wiki page). But they seem to have
> > 
> > little
> > 
> > > > > time
> > > > > to fix immediate issues. And I don't see any plan for fixing
> > 
> > recurring
> > 
> > > > > problems,
> > > > > apart from master machine change in january: maybe I'm not on the
> > 
> > right
> > 
> > > > > list,
> > > > > maybe there is nothing done.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm ready to give time on this service. But I need to know how to
> > 
> > engage
> > 
> > > > > with
> > > > > people interested in recurring problems, discuss plans to improve
> > > > > the
> > > > > service.
> > > > > Having admin rights on the farm can help, but without discussion
> > > > > with
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > > Jenkins farm admins team to decrypt problems and choose a concerted
> > > > > solution,
> > > > > that will only do half of a solution (better than nothing)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please let me know how to help to get a better service.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hervé


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