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From "Scott O'Bryan" <darkar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson
Date Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:46:04 GMT
Yes, I totally buy this.. I like builds.a.o.  My primary concern was
over scripts.  :)  I only have so many hours in the day.  Good news
is.. I think builds will cover this now and in the future..

On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:46 PM, "Gav..." <gavin@16degrees.com.au> wrote:

> It is product names of external products we no longer want in any sub-domains, that includes
Hudson and Jenkins, nothing to do with trademarks and certainly nothing to do with Oracle,
we are following Koshukes code as a choice by the community and we have committers involved
with that direction. So again, no trademark law involved in the decision at all and your expansion
of and original mail was not required nor relevant. This is a list  regarding build systems
at the ASF, any other discussions belong elsewhere.
>
> Gav...
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 9:35 AM
>> To: builds@apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson
>>
>> OK, I'll expand. Based on all the reading I've done about trademark
>> law, inside and outside of the ASF, I think that it is utterly
>> far-fetched to worry about the idea that Oracle will assert some sort
>> of trademark infringement if we have a domain name of
>> hudson.apache.org for any purpose in creation except promote some
>> other CI system. And I cannot see a running instance of Jenkins as a
>> 'promotion'. So I claim that the trademark business is not relevant,
>> and we can have hudson.apache.org as a transitional convenience as
>> look as we like.
>>
>> I apologize if you would have preferred this full form from the
>> outset, and we can always trot over to legal-discuss if you have a
>> contrary view.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Gav... <gavin@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 8:46 AM
>>>> To: builds@apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson
>>>>
>>>> Folks, by all means choose another name, but please don't drag
>>>> 'trademark' into it.
>>>
>>> Excuse me? How did this sentence help the conversation?
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Paul Benedict <pbenedict@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Actually, the reason Apache chose the "jakarta" project is because
>>>> they
>>>>> didn't want to use "java" in the subdomain name.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Scott O'Bryan
>> <darkarena@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure it's been trademarked, but if it has, I'm pretty sure
>> that
>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't apply to subdomains.  I'm okay with migrating the domain
>>>> name,
>>>>>> but there should be a grace period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way, the redirect will make sure the Jenkins name shows up
>>>> for
>>>>>> everyone who cares .. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Paul Benedict <pbenedict@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd say get rid of hudsdon.a.o all together because Oracle is
>>>> claiming
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> name as a trademark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jan Matèrne <apache@materne.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 for Jenkins
>>>>>>>> +1 for redirecting hudson.a.o to jenkins.ao
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And "mark hudson.a.o as deprecated".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>> Von: Nicolas Lalevée [mailto:nicolas.lalevee@hibnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2011 17:21
>>>>>>>>> An: builds@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 for jenkins
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for the host name I think we should have only one official
>> url.
>>>> Then
>>>>>>>>> which one I don't care that much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 3 févr. 2011 à 17:08, Nigel Daley a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 for Jenkins.  +1 for a redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nige
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Niklas Gustavsson
>>>>>>>>> <niklas@protocol7.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Olivier Lamy
>>>> <olamy@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * which code branch do we have to follow
( Jenkins or
>> Oracle
>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most active is the Jenkins one)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time will tell, but I'm betting on the Jenkins
branch.
>>>> Jenkins has
>>>>>>>>>>>> released a 1.396 release which contains a
fix for JNPL
>> slaves
>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> reconnecting correctly. This is a problem
we currently
>> have
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows slave and that I would see fixed.
So, unless
>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> objects, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will look into upgrading to Jenkins 1.396
in the near
>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * do we have to rename hudson.apache.org
to
>>>> jenkins.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this has low priority. The
major reason for
>>>> renaming
>>>>>>>>>>>> would probably be to make a stand in the
Hudson vs Jenkins
>>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :-) why not a redirect from hudson.a.o to jenkins.a.o
?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /niklas
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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