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From Nigel Daley <nda...@yahoo-inc.com>
Subject Re: Welcome to the builds list!
Date Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:13:28 GMT
Gavin, I really appreciate what you've done to setup builds@ and  
build.html.  I think these are 2 steps that are very helpful to the  
Apache community.  It has been very confusing for projects on where/ 
how to get automated builds up and running and I think these steps  
greatly improve that situation.  Your activity here has propelled us  
to file INFRA-2015 to simplify Hudson's URL.

Over the past 2.5 years of running Hudson (first on lucene.zones and  
then centralizing on hudson.zones), there have been a number of  
frustrating issues I've had to work through to get the resources we  
needed for Hudson. Now, I simply want projects to understand the  
options they have available.

I apologize that I haven't been reading infra@ very closely over the  
past couple months and could have weighed in sooner with the  
suggestion that buildbot follow the hudson and continuum naming  
convention.  Given you've now got ci.apache.org, I thought we agreed a  
couple weeks ago that the top level index.html would simply provide a  
pointer to the 3 build solutions. It wasn't clear why there was a  
change in that plan. Perhaps that's less important now that you've  
created build.html.


On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:28 AM, Gavin wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nigel Daley [mailto:ndaley@yahoo-inc.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 3:23 PM
>> To: Gavin
>> Cc: builds@apache.org; infrastructure@apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list!
>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bdelacretaz@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacretaz@gmail.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM
>>>> To: builds@apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list!
>>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin <gavin@16degrees.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Nigel Daley [mailto:ndaley@yahoo-inc.com]
>>>>>> .... Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that
>>>>>> points to
>>>> the
>>>>>> 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and
>>>> Hudson?
>>>>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back  
>>>>> whilst
>>>> testing
>>>>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought
>>>>> about. It
>>>>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion....
>>>> It might be good to mention this list there as well.
>>>> -Bertrand
>>> Yep good plan.
>>> A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to,
>>> ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as
>>> belonging to
>>> the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to  
>>> another
>>> domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage
>>> or the
>>> main builds area (landing page?).
>>> So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on
>>> IRC that
>>> builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area.
>>> If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set
>>> that up
>>> for us? (cc:d)
>>> Gav...
>> Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok.
> You're a little behind, please see the mail entitled 'New landing  
> page' - we
> didn't go with builds.apache.org either.
>> Not sure why you didn't go with
>> buildbot.apache.org.  Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over  
>> reaching.
> What planet are you on? This isn't a competition. Everything I do  
> around
> here you question with disdain, you continually angle at getting me to
> advertise Hudson wherever possible.
> ci.apache.org was chosen as buildbot.apache.org was rejected by  
> other infra
> members as being to specific. ci.apache.org was someone else's idea.  
> So it
> was enabled and I happily started setting up buildbot to use it.
> Then I though it would be a good idea to create a mailing list where  
> folks
> could talk about buildbot and its services etc basically so I didn't  
> have to
> join 200+ dev lists. Someone then said why not make it a list for  
> all build
> services, so we did that.
> You then wanted a landing page area that people could go to to  
> 'choose'
> between which build service they want, and you wanted to use  
> ci.apache.org
> for it that buildbot was already using and was advertised as such, I  
> offered
> builds.apache.org as an alternative, others in infra thought that  
> creating
> new subdomain for one page was too much (you could call it 'a little  
> over
> reaching') so I created a page called http://apache.org/dev/ 
> builds.html
> (after ci.html was also rejected) - and I asked you to edit your  
> section to
> suit which you have yet to do.
> Note that I am here for Buildbot, but I have bent over backwards to
> accommodate your moaning about Hudson. You haven't asked Continuum  
> or Gump
> to advertise 'your' Hudson on their pages so why are you picking on  
> me. I've
> helped everyone by creating a landing page, by getting this mail  
> list set
> up, with the aim that every project can make use of for whichever  
> build
> service they want to use, and you're still not happy. Where are your
> commits, what have you done?
> No doubt I'll regret hitting send here but heck, doing all this  
> volunteer
> work only to get shot at every turn is getting to me.
> Gav...
>> Nige
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