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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
Date Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:56:15 GMT
Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them)  and
advice the producer accordingly.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:

> On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Ross.
> >
> > When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
> > contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF projects
> > in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF has
> it
> > structures and policies and such in place.
> >
> > But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there. And
> > those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF
> > projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread -
> can
> > provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the end
> > it is all about attracting attendees, right?
> >
> No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a name
> we also
> set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as
> "apache
> communities".
>
> Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will be
> rejected, they
> might fit in other tracks.
>
> Please also note, "the apache way" is part of the community track, that is
> tradition.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> > Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm
> > objecting
> > > to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community
> > > development processes.
> > >
> > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)<mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
> > > Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
> > > To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org<mailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org>
> > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org>; Nick
> > Burch<mailto:
> > > nick@apache.org>; Sharan Foga<mailto:sharan.foga@gmail.com>; Maxim
> > > Solodovnik<mailto:solomax666@gmail.com>; Mike Bates<mailto:
> > > mike.bates@hotwaxsystems.com>; Angela Brown<mailto:
> > > angela@linuxfoundation.org>; Joan Touzet<mailto:wohali@apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
> > contributors
> > > and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
> > >
> > > I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that " brings
> > > together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
> > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
> > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
> > to
> > > day operations."
> > >
> > > To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
> > > abstracts within the ASF.
> > >
> > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
> > > To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org<mailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org>
> > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org>; Nick
> > Burch<mailto:
> > > nick@apache.org>; Sharan Foga<mailto:sharan.foga@gmail.com>; Maxim
> > > Solodovnik<mailto:solomax666@gmail.com>; Mike Bates<mailto:
> > > mike.bates@hotwaxsystems.com>; Angela Brown<mailto:
> > > angela@linuxfoundation.org>; Joan Touzet<mailto:wohali@apache.org>
> > > Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors
> > and
> > > ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
> > >
> > > HI All,
> > >
> > > Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
> > > potential track.
> > >
> > > *Introduction*
> > >
> > > The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
> > > supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the
> > fore
> > > front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
> > > software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
> > > areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and
> big
> > > data.
> > > The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations
> > that
> > > utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that
> can
> > > help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various
> > products
> > > of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.
> > >
> > > This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies
> > to
> > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
> > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
> > to
> > > day operations.
> > >
> > > *Talks*
> > > #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache
> > Code
> > > of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115
> > >
> > > This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
> > > available in the communities of open source projects, how project
> > > management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
> > > happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
> > > Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085
> > >
> > > This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and
> guard
> > > the healthiness of its project(s).
> > >
> > >
> > > #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071
> > >
> > > This talks is about the Audio & Video Conferencing solution of the ASF
> > that
> > > can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or
> its
> > > supporting organisation.
> > >
> > >
> > > #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre
> > Smits,
> > > The Netherlands
> > >
> > > This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the
> contributor
> > > base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation
> of
> > > permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
> > > happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part
> > of
> > > which project and in what kind of role.
> > >
> > > #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree!
> > By
> > > Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029
> > >
> > > Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code.
> Opposing
> > > viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
> > > consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
> > > project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
> > > express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must
> > also
> > > be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
> > > when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.
> > >
> > >
> > > #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168
> > >
> > > This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
> > > development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over
> > the
> > > world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
> > > existence today.
> > >
> > >
> > > #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
> > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169
> > >
> > > Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to
> > give
> > > the theory that extra punch to get the message across.
> > >
> > > #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open
> Source.
> > > By Mike Bates, USA
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107
> > >
> > > I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the
> > > adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in
> > > particular. After all, no open source project can exists without users.
> > >
> > >
> > > Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel free to
> > post.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> >
>

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