Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-apachecon-discuss-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-apachecon-discuss-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB6F3971F for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 33135 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2012 10:27:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-apachecon-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 32967 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2012 10:27:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact apachecon-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list apachecon-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 32945 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jul 2012 10:27:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:27:51 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=10 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of nick.burch@alfresco.com designates 207.126.144.125 as permitted sender) Received: from [207.126.144.125] (HELO eu1sys200aog108.obsmtp.com) (207.126.144.125) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:27:43 +0000 Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com ([209.85.160.182]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob108.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUA54iXVOj8Wcxd6Wg9DRPO1PIKtPoBpH@postini.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:27:22 UTC Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so7566706ghb.13 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:x-x-sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=OZMWoEELmHA9znpf0hWxLvx9xBQMm/p/pIdyk7QCFkE=; b=VJ9txuferW5zagccFsWUK1rr/IaxRxxoeNRD2aAAMkdKyvECc+CD5ilMQE2qW5sJYt aKqUeiQrNWHbONazxH1aa3f2DIH+GmY7u2RVcw+K8fKwPZFeK3GRFph+noPPBugb77J1 vbbkTTednzdmUfFmRERyZuIYhzJvWjuyETdFFXLvLO3DB5YR/G6Br+3Nb8fL9etJElYW Lps8pP2EupvK2gtudgy0gYWVsYOJGbzdhJuoIEY7SY5WNAbfIYQv6tpRPiQKakRtTcso bRD5Zcr10sVgRpK9NdBYRm1yBE5fG7hNwlvJdlR12b6yfaX0xNbUuC+Dw9a013FQL0kl XWTQ== Received: by 10.236.78.195 with SMTP id g43mr18245016yhe.62.1343125640331; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipv6.urchin.earth.li (ipv6.urchin.earth.li. [2001:ba8:0:1b4::6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm14934005anl.11.2012.07.24.03.27.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:27:16 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Burch X-X-Sender: nick@urchin.earth.li To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org Subject: Re: Messaging track In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <66BD268F973E3544A665E5F503FB38B71B462FE829@DC01.bmw-carit.intra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlrr+RfFu7qdKS1osSUZ5dN0WyOiK0U1bLT+UhyMLemTYcAyDOa0t7QpQbAfuWxkJ1t9gXH X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Steve Holden wrote: > On Jul 24, 2012, at 12:27 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote: >> +1 for "Messaging and Integration" track other than Apache Etch >> project we have few more projects to submit proposals under this >> category and it's hard to submit them under Camel track. > > Is it really a good idea to start messing about with the tracks at this > stage? The CfP has been published. There was a discussion period. Won't > changing hte tracks just murky the waters? I think we need to be very careful about changes, certainly. In some cases we may be able to broaden slightly a track's scope, or perhaps add another one (though we're a bit short on rooms to do much of that....), but we do want to check that both communities are happy with the idea first! > This is valuable experience: I had thought the ASF was cohesive enough > that each project would have received a notice that alerted them to the > fact that tracks for ACEY were being discussed. Maybe that's not the way > it works. received a notice != acted on a notice.... All TLPs and podlings were notified, but not all responded. I think some projects had assumed that suitable tracks would appear without volunters, while this time we've been a bit stricter about tracks needing to have at least one volunteer as a track chair. (We've been bitten in the past by "orphan" tracks, with good talks but not enough community involement, and no-one to interface between the planners and the projects, which is one of the reasons why the track chair was promoted from recommended to required this time round) Nick