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From "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Subject Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
Date Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:27:07 GMT
From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <ilgrosso@apache.org>
> On 23/07/2012 15:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> From: "Francesco Chicchiriccò" <ilgrosso@apache.org>
>>> On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing
>>>> purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
>>>> Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain
>>>> the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)
>>>
>>> Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
>>> an Identity Manager [2]
>>> Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
>>> Federation, ...
>>> Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
>>> management, ...
>>>
>>> These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
>>> application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
>>> Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.
>>>
>>>> Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core
>>>> track and showcases the different "Enterprise Integration"
>>>> scenarios.
>>>
>>> This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
>>> "Integration & Service APIs" track [4].
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>
>> Thanks for this answer,
>>
>> Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz...
>> one day...
>> BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?
>
> Hi Jacques,
> thanks for your interest.
>
> At the moment there is no direct relation with "external" Role Based
> Access Control (RBAC), while Syncope is implementing such approach for
> its own internal authentication and authorization model; anyway it is
> something noticeable for the roadmap: why don't you start a thread on
> syncope-dev@incubator.apache.org?

It's too early yet. We are just restructuring the core. And anyway I have not much availabilit
to put in it at the moment. But I 
keep the idea!

Jacques

> Regards.
>
>>>> Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?
>>>>
>>>> In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same
>>>> on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
>>>> Syncope/Shiro
>>>> Jackrabbit/Sling
>>>> Accumulo/Cassandra
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if
>>>> this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
>>>> lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.
>>>
>>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
>>> [3]
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
>>>
>>> [4]
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.mohammad@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as
>>>>> Apache Etch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
>>>>> <Martin.Veith@bmw-carit.de>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our
>>>>>> proposal we
>>>>>>  are asking ourself which track fits the best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network
>>>>>> services. (for
>>>>>>  more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
>>>>>>  In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure
>>>>>> or Cloud
>>>>>>  topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>> What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
>>>>> specifically integration and services oriented software development
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>>>
>>> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
>>> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>>>
>>>
>
>
> -- 
> Francesco Chicchiriccò
>
> ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
> 

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