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From Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.moham...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ApacheCon's EU 2012 and NA 2013 - save the dates and get involved!
Date Fri, 04 May 2012 14:32:43 GMT

   Well, IDK about the W-JAX but from the website and what people said
about it, it seems a real big event.

But as also said from some of you here, most of the developers attend about
one conference a year, so in either way even if we did the ApacheCon EU
during the other proposed week, that is CW43 = 20-22 November, we still can
not guarantee that will attract more people who already attended W-JAX, and
if someone is interested enough to attend ApachCon I believe they will do
attend in either way.

That is said, I believe we leave the date as is which will give a chance to
our American fellows to attend and also I am sure that people from allover
EU will be very interested to attend the ApacheCon after not being held for
a while in EU. And we it showed that we were wrong, then we can learn from
that and plan better next time.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Rainer Jung <rjung@apache.org> wrote:

> On 04.05.2012 13:24, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> --
>> Rich Bowen
>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>> On 2012 5 4 07:04, "Goetz, Paul"<paul.goetz@sap.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I guess it's not carved in stone, but the contract with the venue is
>> already signed.
>>> Anyway, I could try to change it, but I'm not sure if it will work out...
>>> However: The only other option left would be CW43 = 20-22 November - and
>> this is clashing with US Thanksgiving.
>>> So moving the event to late November would more or less exclude US
>> committers...
>> Although I have no wish to be excluded, EU events should not be planned
>> for
>> the convenience of US attendees. Thats only bitten us in the past.
>> Ignoring
>> JAX seems like a bad idea, and ultimately a bigger deal.
> For those who don't know those other events:
> Software and Support (a German publishing house) publishes "Java Magazin"
> which is a monthly german journal about Java development. They sure have
> the largest circulation of all similar media in Germany.
> They also run several conferences. The biggest is JAX, which is about Java
> development (and as far as I know in the early years "A" stood for Apache
> and "X" for XML, but that was long ago). JAX is in *May* and usually is
> located in the middle of Germany (close to Frankfurt).
> I guess the second largest one is W-JAX. That one clashes with the planned
> date for ApacheCon. It happens in Munich (in the south of Germany) and is
> roughly half the size of JAX (please correct me if my estimate is wrong),
> but still much bigger than ApacheCon.
> Software and Support very actively promotes those events via the Journal.
> Many Java developers in Germany go to one or the other of JAX and W-JAX.
> Attendance comes mainly from Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Inernational
> attendance is low.
> Running ApacheCon the same week will reduce our attendance, but mostly for
> the local attendees. Most devs here are only able to attend one conference
> per year. As already mentioned there will also be some clash of possible
> speakers. The program for W-JAX is not yet announced although the CFP was
> closed on May 2nd.
> Regards,
> Rainer

- Mohammad Nour
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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