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From "Peter Govind" <pm...@hotmail.com>
Subject RE: Advantage of SOAP against RMI ???
Date Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:42:48 GMT
>I can not understand why sun haven't already released a toolkit that >sits
>round this implementation??...(if they have then ignore me!)

The last time I checked (5 June 2001), there's nothing like this available 
in that 48MB J2SE 1.4 or any other additional API.

Nonetheless, as you said, it can be implemented using existing Java API's - 
a lot of work though :P




>From: Colin Saxton <ccs@exel.co.uk>
>Reply-To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
>To: "'soap-user@xml.apache.org'" <soap-user@xml.apache.org>
>Subject: RE: Advantage of SOAP against RMI ???
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:32:55 +0100
>
>I think that the problem lies deeply in the way that developers, in 
>general,
>program for distributed computing...We should not rely on the top down
>command running after command approach. We should program using an event
>model...what I would like to see is applications that fire off a request 
>and
>then wait for the response/responses which are sent back through another
>protocol...say for instance SMTP...the responses can then be collated and
>passed to the client as an event...this event would then signal that the
>program can continue...
>
>I think that the Java Spaces technology is on the brink of a revolution 
>here
>since it could easily extend the Space interface to include spaces that
>handled soap requests...you would
>
>1. Place your requests in the space...
>
>2. You would have a soap service that would sit on the space waiting for
>soap tasks...these would be taken from the space and distributed to a 
>server
>
>3. The soap service would then look at the space once more waiting for 
>tasks
>that needed to be processed...
>
>4. Meanwhile...SOAP tasks would be processed and then posted back to the
>soap service which is monitoring the space...all finished tasks would then
>be placed back in the space when they are received in the finished queue, 
>so
>to speak...
>
>5. While all this is happening the client can be waiting for the finished
>tasks to be placed back in the queue...where they would be extracted and
>processed...the whole process then starts again...
>
>The is a better way of handling distributed computing...The technologies
>that are available for java now could implement this solution with minimal
>problems.
>
>I can not understand why sun haven't already released a toolkit that sits
>round this implementation??...(if they have then ignore me!)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Govind [mailto:pmg18@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 05 June 2001 14:35
>To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
>Subject: RE: Advantage of SOAP against RMI ???
>
>
>Agree.
>
>If you look at the web services articles around at the mo' they seem to
>paint a picture whereby a client app can access a multitude of web 
>services.
>
>Sure that's nice. Then again, in reality the call/invocation is a bit on 
>the
>
>expensive side (ie take time) - even on one web service only. Things will
>definitely get worse once a particular client's 'request' (I use the term
>loosely here) requires invocation of methods from several different web
>services spread throughout the inter/intranet. Imagine the time the user 
>has
>
>to wait before getting a response!
>
>Let's not forget that XML processing does require some CPU cycle (ie 
>waiting
>
>time) - this couple with Java (after 6 years and with availability of 
>higher
>
>CPU power, still a bit on the slow side) does put a hefty baggage on the
>concept of one client using several web services.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I think SOAP is a great idea. Just make sure you get as
>many stuff done for one single invocation .... and have a very patient
>target audience.
>
>
> >From: Colin Saxton <ccs@exel.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
> >To: "'soap-user@xml.apache.org'" <soap-user@xml.apache.org>
> >Subject: RE: Advantage of SOAP against RMI ???
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:56:16 +0100
> >
> >One disadvantage that I have found with SOAP depends on the time taken to
> >execute the SOAP envelope on the server!!
> >
> >You could have a call that could take some time and client will more than
> >likely timeout!
> >
> >Keep in mind when performing tasks that could take over a minute to do 
>them
> >as part of a queuing algorithm. The server can then notify the client 
>using
> >a different protocol to HTTP...
> >
> >To summarise...SOAP over HTTP does not work well when time taken to 
>execute
> >the server process is lengthy...You can extend the client timeout but 
>that
> >in itself can lead to problems...
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ralf Bierig [mailto:soap_news@yahoo.com]
> >Sent: 05 June 2001 10:57
> >To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
> >Subject: Advantage of SOAP against RMI ???
> >
> >
> >Which advantages does SOAP provide compared with RMI?
> >Whats with SOAP <-> CORBA ??
> >
> >Whats are the advantages of SOAP against RMI and whats
> >are the disadvantages?
> >
> >Discuss!
> >
> >Thanks, in advance!
> >Ralf
> >
> >
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