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From "James Snell" <>
Subject RE: Defining a SOAP Application Schema
Date Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:58:56 GMT
Perhaps, but right now, I wouldn't be able to say one way or the other.
Personally, I need these things discussed now and figured out soon, very
soon, which is why I've always been so active in this arena.  I don't see
the W3C playing a significant role in the development of SOAP at any point
in the near future.  The primary players at this point are IBM and
Microsoft.  Now, before the people at the other companies who worked on the
SOAP spec start yellin', allow to me to say this:  IBM and MS have taken the
driver seat with SOAP, there is no doubt about it, yes others have been
involved, but most of the innovation in this area has come from these two
companies -- Microsoft more so than IBM (also, most of the credibility
behind SOAP has come from these two companies).  SOAP is, and will continue
to be, developed independently of the W3C.  This, however, does not make it
of any less importance to get SOME Internet standards body to gives its
"OK".  To me, the W3C makes the most sense, especially in the area of
Service Description, since what we're talking about is Metadata (in the same
category as RDF and XML Schema).  SOAP, on the other hand, could go either
way since it is both a method of transporting data and a method of packaging

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brennan []
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: Defining a SOAP Application Schema

> From: James Snell []
> I don't see service description ever becoming a part of the SOAP spec.
> Rather, the different parties involved would like to see a separate
> specification (one that covers more than just SOAP) defined
> and supported by
> the industry and submitted to the W3C.

I like that approach. Seems like it makes sense to me. However, I wonder, at
times, if the W3C is the right body to look toward to move SOAP toward an
official status. They seem to be gridlocked, lately, with controversy
surrounding the schema spec and debates over URI/namespace issues. They just
kicked XML packaging back out to the public effectively saying they have
their hands full and won't be able to address the issue. Can they
realistically be expected to address the issue of web services in a timely

It seems to me that if the parties currently involved in shaping the SOAP
spec can arrive at a consensus, then maybe when they are done it should be
submitted to some other body that might be able to move more quickly.

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