Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ws-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 3072 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2010 00:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 4 Nov 2010 00:31:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 17211 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2010 00:31:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ws-dev-archive@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 17048 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2010 00:31:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ws.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@ws.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 17040 invoked by uid 99); 4 Nov 2010 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 00:31:48 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of sagara.gunathunga@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.49] (HELO mail-qw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.216.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 00:31:43 +0000 Received: by qwh6 with SMTP id 6so694950qwh.22 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=803/C4i+LPX4F55ZNwuDxLeecyTRhRupssWg+9LJvZs=; b=AKH2qFOB/Wu3ZO8+vwUqGJvNvypJI6jW4evd8RLsUa0vxfHB47b0alFFbCQW5twm6O DfC492u+gX6F31elpmrsw7he9fG2eJMXtolHM5fhE4uGPPl4P1SXiq3eOYVTRajxPsXA 0ARcAGOC4ZNoIbfVhJyTY8AFLpl9YWJqz5Oy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=C+1TafsSu+wfSZvhrCDP5WjR3LeiJrUzQAw6EU4mqsE84aYuzysbyK7HZ3pgFGYX97 JiHCIIFT0FFz0mi85ftpYhgQ9QIEiWRS+JlBoMKyLF1FVjlMw6g9I0/pc3ukr93rS10q DjNJk6qqvRX3XC3tor7m8swW+xEfUMEVS+IPU= Received: by 10.229.224.79 with SMTP id in15mr13018945qcb.219.1288830682637; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.211.81 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:31:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CD1EE75.2000205@psu.edu> References: <201010222138.53414.dkulp@apache.org> <4CD1DEF9.2030809@ifad.dk> <4CD1EE75.2000205@psu.edu> From: Sagara Gunathunga Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Welcome to dev@ws.apache.org To: dev@ws.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8edc03a6b404942f4752 --0016363b8edc03a6b404942f4752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some of the WS projects are inter-depending , some of them don't have enough developers. With my past experience on Woden I'm completely agree with facts mentioned in the original proposal [1] also I believe this is an important move we made. I accept there can be exceptional cases those who want to live alone, I'm not sure whether we can use kind of a filtering mechanism for them or create a separate list for them . BTW do you think asking to redo this change only because of a one project is a good option ? [1] - http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-commons-dev/201010.mbox/%3C201010121710.29798.dkulp@apache.org%3E Thanks ! On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Don Albertson wrote: > > I take issue with Benson's assertion that there are not enough people to > support any one of the individual projects. > I can't speak for the other lists, but XML-RPC was serving its small > interest group very well. > Merging it into this monstrosity will eventually drive people to unsub > thereby losing what was working well. > Doing such a thing without troubling to inquire is sheer hubris. > dga > > > Benson Margulies said (on or about) 11/3/2010 6:42 PM: > > Lars, >> >> This is a dev list for an Apache project that hosts several small >> modules. There are not enough developers involved in any one of the >> individual projects to support independent mailing lists. No one here >> is 'professional'. We are all volunteers. If you are not interested in >> our internal developmental deliberations, then you are welcome to >> stick to the user list, which will be much lighter in traffic. >> >> Best Regards >> Benson Margulies >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Lars Schnoor >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I originally signed up for the XML-RPC mailing list because that was the >>> project that was and still is interesting to me. In the last couple of >>> days >>> however I have been bombarded with SPAM from all kinds of Apache projects >>> that I am not interested in at all. At some point someone asked if it was >>> a >>> mistake to merge the Apache mailing lists and a couple of people replied >>> that they actually think that it indeed was a big mistake and that was >>> it, >>> no action whatsoever. >>> So my question is very simple, is there some professional person that can >>> see that it was a very bad idea to merge the mailing lists and is willing >>> to >>> undo this mistake, or do we people that don't what our mailboxes >>> filled-up >>> with unrelated SPAM, have to unsubscribe? >>> And Lawrence, was there any point in your message asking if it was a >>> mistake? >>> >>> Lars >>> >>> On 23-10-2010 03:38, Daniel Kulp wrote: >>> >>>> The lists should now all be merged into just dev@ and users@. Thus, >>>> welcome >>>> to the new "combined" WS community! >>>> >>>> We left the Muse lists alone for right now. Did we reach a concensus to >>>> archive Muse? I wasn't 100% possitive so we left those alone for right >>>> now. >>>> >>>> >> > -- Sagara Gunathunga Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/ --0016363b8edc03a6b404942f4752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some of the WS projects are inter-depending , some of them don't ha= ve=20 enough developers. With my past experience on Woden=A0 I'm completely= =20 agree with facts mentioned in the original proposal [1] also I believe=20 this is an important move we made. I accept there can be exceptional=20 cases those who want to live alone, I'm not sure whether we can use kin= d of a filtering mechanism for them or create a separate list for them=20 .=A0=A0=A0

BTW do you think asking to redo this change only because of a one project i= s a good option ?

[1] -=A0 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-commons-dev/201010.mbox/= %3C201010121710.29798.dkulp@apache.org%3E

Thanks !

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:21 = PM, Don Albertson <dg= a12@psu.edu> wrote:

I take issue with Benson's =A0assertion that there are not enough peopl= e to support any one of the individual projects.
I can't speak for the other lists, but XML-RPC was serving its small in= terest group very well.
Merging it into this monstrosity will eventually drive people to unsub ther= eby losing what was working well.
Doing such a thing without troubling to inquire is sheer hubris.
dga


Benson Margulies said (on or about) 11/3/2010 6:42 PM:

Lars,

This is a dev list for an Apache project that hosts several small
modules. There are not enough developers involved in any one of the
individual projects to support independent mailing lists. No one here
is 'professional'. We are all volunteers. If you are not interested= in
our internal developmental deliberations, then you are welcome to
stick to the user list, which will be much lighter in traffic.

Best Regards
Benson Margulies


On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Lars Schnoor<Lars.Schnoor@ifad.dk> =A0wrote:
Hi

I originally signed up for the XML-RPC mailing list because that was the project that was and still is interesting to me. In the last couple of days=
however I have been bombarded with SPAM from all kinds of Apache projects that I am not interested in at all. At some point someone asked if it was a=
mistake to merge the Apache mailing lists and a couple of people replied that they actually =A0think that it indeed was a big mistake and that was i= t,
no action whatsoever.
So my question is very simple, is there some professional person that can see that it was a very bad idea to merge the mailing lists and is willing t= o
undo this mistake, or do we people that don't what our mailboxes filled= -up
with unrelated SPAM, have to unsubscribe?
And Lawrence, was there any point in your message asking if it was a
mistake?

Lars

On 23-10-2010 03:38, Daniel Kulp wrote:
The lists should now all be merged into just dev@ and users@. =A0 Thus,
welcome
to the new "combined" WS community!

We left the Muse lists alone for right now. =A0Did we reach a concensus to<= br> archive Muse? =A0I wasn't 100% possitive so we left those alone for rig= ht
now.






--
Sagara Guna= thunga

Blog - http://ssagar= a.blogspot.com
Web - h= ttp://people.apache.org/~sagara/
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