Mailing-List: contact general-help@ws.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: general@ws.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of davanum@gmail.com designates
 216.239.58.190 as permitted sender)
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version
         :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition
         :references;
        b=BjlAZHs4/CotNDeO8kkrDy40WvfLmG4ecpoXERUe0u/ZDbhhISAl3ez9zYxv9TMKXr
         mB+nEYRDIE3BgK5Dehlig4zmc3vREzP32uwJ8XaBqGYm3oms/3608V93csB99H6ntWO2
         4r0bYy9LsemBOwhd2w4dqhNo2KtrqwMZTgK1M=
Message-ID: <19e0530f0810281057g104f2adcr339bfe9e3304c524@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:57:04 -0400
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <davanum@gmail.com>
To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Cc: general@ws.apache.org
In-Reply-To: <49074205.8090006@gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
References: <19e0530f0810261629w59dd1c1bm61a18aa343763a40@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4906A730.2050809@opensource.lk>
	 <19e0530f0810280849g5a86f262g31307634a1234c88@mail.gmail.com>
	 <49074205.8090006@gmail.com>

Deepal,

yep, not taking care of them is what i meant. Yep, i totally
understand day-to-day work.

thanks,
dims

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <deepalk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer
>> set takes better care of the code, web site, releases, legal issues
>> and basic oversight of day to day workings of a PMC better than a huge
>> umbrella PMC. For example, personally i think Synapse has thrived
>> after it left the fold.
>>
> I have to agree with Dims here , because at the moment WS is a very big
> project with a number of sub-projects.
> And WS consists of three main project as well , which is Apache SOAP ,
> Axis1 and Axis2.
> Specially Axis1 and Axis2 has a number of sub projects as well. So
> managing them efficient  manner is a challenging job ,
> and specially for the PMC chair it is lot of work. Therefore it is
> always a good idea to modularize them.
>> Take a look at our web site(s), take a look at our release
>> schedules(s) - for all projects, take a look at our bug tracker(s).
>> Does anyone see that we are doing an excellent job?
>>
> I am sorry I do not understand what do you mean by bug tracker , is that
> the problem of number of issues
> or is it a problem of we are not taking care of them ?
>> We need to gather momentum, going TLP is an excellent way to do that.
>> A small focused team that is working on a single goal of getting a
>> good set of Axis2 related projects going is i think the right way to
>> go. I think the Axis2 eco system will do better when we go TLP.
>>
> :)
>> Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and
>> able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are
>> today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward
>> looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from
>> looking at the mailing lists. I am trying to see if we can jumpstart
>> that as well with this proposal.
>>
> Well part of the reason behind that is everyone is busy with their day
> to day work ,
> for example when we start Axis2 we were fully focus on Axis2 .
> So it was so easy for us to do all those , but now we work on Axis2 and
> answer the mail
> when we get some free time. Anyway I agree that there are some
> improvements that we need to do.
>
>
> Thanks
> Deepal
>> fwiw, Juddi and xmlrpc do not have sufficient people on board to go
>> TLP as of this moment. Yes, we should try harder to get more people
>> involved there or we end up moth-balling them.
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>> <sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm -1 because the Axis2 project is not just axis2- its a collection of
>>> enabling pieces (axiom, neethi at least) and a bunch of up stream components
>>> (rampart, sandesha2, kandula2, wss4j etc.). So its really the "web services"
>>> project with an entire ws-* framework being covered by that. Calling the
>>> whole thing axis2 is not right as its not just about axis2.
>>>
>>> I would like to clearly identify components within the ws project that are
>>> retired or "finished". These include (from what I know) scout, wsif, axis1,
>>> jaxme, kandula1, and sandesha1. However, as Nadra's message shows, there are
>>> parts of the "axis1 family" still alive and kicking.
>>>
>>> There are other projects that I think do not use axis1 or axis2 - for
>>> example juddi & xmlrpc - that I think could go TLP on their own to reduce
>>> the size of ws.
>>>
>>> So I'm -1.
>>>
>>> However, Glen, what was the motivation for originating that thread? Is there
>>> something broken that needs to be fixed? IIRC Dims was always against
>>> splitting when he was PMC chair and I'd like to hear the reason for and
>>> against by both Glen and Dims too.
>>>
>>> Sanjiva.
>>>
>>> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here....
>>>>
>>>> So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate
>>>> TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> dims
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
>>> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
>>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>>> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
>>>
>>> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thank you!
>
>
> http://blogs.deepal.org
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>
>


-- 
Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@ws.apache.org