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From Samisa Abeysinghe <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:28:44 GMT
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Eran,
> Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and
> then we can continue.
> For example, I said "1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that
> Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP."
> Also, i said this before, but repeat it again, The current status quo
> sucks. What we have is not working.
> - Really bad web sites
> - Really bad status of JIRA issues
> - Really bad track record of making releases periodically
> - There are many disjoint islands
> - The set of projects mentioned above is totally disjoint from other
> projects in WS PMC.

How can a TLP solve all these? If people are who they are now, even 
after making Axis2 a TLP, the bad websites and bad release cycles will 
On the other hand, if we cannot sync the releases of Axis2's sub 
projects, then irrespective of Axis2 being a TLP, it would turn out to 
be a useless project. Because one of Axis2's key strenghts is the set of 
sub projects it has.

So IMHO, what is more important is to solve the above problems. However, 
I doubt if TLP would be a solution for that.

> What we have is broken, We are not the only ones in this situation,
> this has happened before at Apache with XML and Jakarta PMC's. Please
> go and look at the history and how the projects are faring now after
> becoming logical/smaller footprint PMCs. Please go ask them or ask the
> board@ or ask members if you don't believe, let's learn from their
> experiences.
> *IF* people who are on the current projects that are not in the "
> Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2" list
> want to tell us something, they should chime in and tell us what they
> think and we'll take a vote.
> Right now it's just a few of us who are just repeating the same things
> over and over again without even reading what the other person is
> saying.
> thanks,
> dims
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eran Chinthaka
> <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Davanum Srinivas <> wrote:
>>> Chinthaka,
>>> What are the problems that will be created? Please enumerate them. How
>>> is it being handled / smoothed over now and what would change
>>> specifically to make the cooperation not happen.
>> Problems :
>> 1. Another member will have to waste time on doing PMC work
>> 2. We will lose the tight dependency between Axis2 and related projects like
>> Axiom, Neethi, Sandesha, etc.,
>> There are numerous things like this that will happen.
>>> If you can point your finger to specific scenarios. We can see if we
>>> can come up with specific solutions. (Say common svn area where both
>>> committers can have access).
>> Let me back up. What is broken in the current layout that mandates us to go
>> for different TLPs?
>>> Also, Don't mind me, i repeat my mantra for the n-th time again. Those
>>> who are actively working on a day to day basis should be taking the
>>> decisions. What we are doing is not working and i propose we try
>>> something new to see if it will work.
>> My point is exactly this. Why do we waste time on going to fix something
>> which is not broken? Let's get back to work ;)

Samisa Abeysinghe

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