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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:30:36 GMT
Glen, so if you agree that its a TLP with Axis2 + up stream and downstream 
projects then why not push the other stuff from ws into their own TLPs? If 
we want to consider a new name for the ws project that's an option too but 
that's a different issue isn't it?


Glen Daniels wrote:
> Hi Sanjiva:
> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>> Also the other reason IMO is that axis2 is mostly "done" .. I have no 
>> objection at all to someone starting an axis3 or doing a lot of 
>> changes to axis2, but I personally don't have major problems that I 
>> see need to be fixed in axis2. Yes there are tons of JIRAs and lots of 
>> small issues, but those don't warrant / motivate the types of weekly 
>> chats and architectural conversations that we had in the early days.
> HTTPD has been around a lot longer than the WS project.  Despite its 
> "bakedness", people routinely fix bugs, usability issues, submit 
> patches, etc.  The development community is often around on IRC.  In 
> short, it's an active and functional community around a live codebase.
> I think Axis2 is, honestly, far from "done".  And a bunch of the 515(!) 
> JIRAs as of right now are real problems with either functionality or 
> usability.  We're not seeing these getting picked off on any kind of 
> regular basis, so regardless of the TLP decision I think it's clear that 
> the team as a whole needs to pay a little more attention to the project, 
> and get that sense of active and functional community back.
>> IMO a lot of the work that's interesting is now going on around Axis2, 
>> not in the core of it. Example, writing new deployers that plug in 
>> more stuff, writing cool transports etc. etc. - those all hang around 
>> axis2 but that doesn't make axis2 itself really improve.
> Two things here - first, I think that those kinds of things DO make 
> Axis2 itself improve, because they often stretch the boundaries in ways 
> that demonstrate blind spots or problems in the core (example - async 
> transports and the core threading (or lack thereof) model).  Second, 
> you're exactly right that there is a lot of work going on around Axis2, 
> which is why making it a TLP with Rampart, Sandesha, etc., as 
> subprojects seems to make a lot of sense.
> Thanks,
> --Glen
> --Glen
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Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;
Member; Apache Software Foundation;
Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;


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