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From "Davanum Srinivas" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:28:48 GMT

Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and
then we can continue.

For example, I said "1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that
Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP."

Also, i said this before, but repeat it again, The current status quo
sucks. What we have is not working.
- Really bad web sites
- Really bad status of JIRA issues
- Really bad track record of making releases periodically
- There are many disjoint islands
- The set of projects mentioned above is totally disjoint from other
projects in WS PMC.

What we have is broken, We are not the only ones in this situation,
this has happened before at Apache with XML and Jakarta PMC's. Please
go and look at the history and how the projects are faring now after
becoming logical/smaller footprint PMCs. Please go ask them or ask the
board@ or ask members if you don't believe, let's learn from their

*IF* people who are on the current projects that are not in the "
Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2" list
want to tell us something, they should chime in and tell us what they
think and we'll take a vote.

Right now it's just a few of us who are just repeating the same things
over and over again without even reading what the other person is


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eran Chinthaka
<> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Davanum Srinivas <> wrote:
>> Chinthaka,
>> What are the problems that will be created? Please enumerate them. How
>> is it being handled / smoothed over now and what would change
>> specifically to make the cooperation not happen.
> Problems :
> 1. Another member will have to waste time on doing PMC work
> 2. We will lose the tight dependency between Axis2 and related projects like
> Axiom, Neethi, Sandesha, etc.,
> There are numerous things like this that will happen.
>> If you can point your finger to specific scenarios. We can see if we
>> can come up with specific solutions. (Say common svn area where both
>> committers can have access).
> Let me back up. What is broken in the current layout that mandates us to go
> for different TLPs?
>> Also, Don't mind me, i repeat my mantra for the n-th time again. Those
>> who are actively working on a day to day basis should be taking the
>> decisions. What we are doing is not working and i propose we try
>> something new to see if it will work.
> My point is exactly this. Why do we waste time on going to fix something
> which is not broken? Let's get back to work ;)

Davanum Srinivas ::

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