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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:25:08 GMT
Eran,

1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything
that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP.

2. IMHO, Any existing committers who would like to join the new TLP
can join as committers and be on the PMC as well.

3. I was going to nominate Deepal as TLP Chair. (Believe me, i can't
take the politics / crap anymore!)

4. Glen would continue to either moth ball projects in WS or spin them
off as TLP's. This role was done by Henri in Jakarta.

5. All the Devs can continue on WS projects if they choose to...see
#1, they need be active only the new TLP if they are working on / with
Axis2 related projects.

thanks,
dims

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Eran Chinthaka
<eran.chinthaka@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope I'm still not late to comment on this.
>
> I'm also with Sanjiva on this issue. Axis2 is just not Axis2 project alone.
> Axiom and others are integral parts of it. Couple of challenges/questions
> from me.
>
> 1. Let's take the Glen's proposal on two projects and list down the
> developers in each project. Do you see any difference in those lists? So
> Dims your argument, "If we can find people to man the PMC's and act as
> chair, sure, let's get more projects as TLP's"., will that hold?
> 2. If people can remember how the PMC nominations were it sounded like "Mr X
> was active on Axis2, Axiom, XmlSchema, etc.,". I think most of PMC members
> comes under that definition.
>
> Aggregating above two comments, will Dims argument of small teams still
> hold?
>
> 3. Will Glen as a chair will gain anything? Yes, he might have to ask for
> fewer reports and his report will be shorter. But will this change after the
> proposed changes, from board point of view?
>
> 4. If there is a vote for this, is it the simple majority who wins?
>
> The only differences I see in this
>
> 1. One more person will get to be a PMC chair (whoever sends highest number
> of mails for this separation should get this position :D. So its not me ;) )
> 2. All the other devs will have the luxury of being in two different PMCs
> (Yey !!)
> 3. We will have two guys preparing the same report, which was used to be
> prepared by a single person.
>
> So is it worth doing this? I'm extremely sorry if I'm missing something, but
> still I can not see a compelling argument to move on to a new TLP.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Chinthaka
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anything that is usable/shipped with Axis2 or depends on Axis2 IMHO.
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>> <sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
>> > So Glen, if we're talking about a new TLP what are the proposed
>> > components
>> > under it? What will remain in the ws TLP because they don't have enough
>> > ammo
>> > to be a TLP?
>> >
>> > Sanjiva.
>> >
>> > Glen Daniels wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi dims, all:
>> >>
>> >> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level
>> >>> that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better
>> >>> than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made
>> >>> transitions including XML and Jakarta.
>> >>
>> >> +1.  As PMC chair, I've definitely had a challenging time keeping up
>> >> with
>> >> everything going on in all the subprojects, and from a purely practical
>> >> point of view, the board reports each quarter are pretty darn long.
>> >>
>> >>> One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer
>> >>> set takes better care of the code, web site, releases, legal issues
>> >>> and basic oversight of day to day workings of a PMC better than a huge
>> >>> umbrella PMC. For example, personally i think Synapse has thrived
>> >>> after it left the fold.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >>> Take a look at our web site(s), take a look at our release
>> >>> schedules(s) - for all projects, take a look at our bug tracker(s).
>> >>> Does anyone see that we are doing an excellent job?
>> >>
>> >> Point taken.
>> >>
>> >>> We need to gather momentum, going TLP is an excellent way to do that.
>> >>> A small focused team that is working on a single goal of getting a
>> >>> good set of Axis2 related projects going is i think the right way to
>> >>> go. I think the Axis2 eco system will do better when we go TLP.
>> >>
>> >> I agree.
>> >>
>> >>> Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and
>> >>> able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are
>> >>> today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward
>> >>> looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from
>> >>> looking at the mailing lists. I am trying to see if we can jumpstart
>> >>> that as well with this proposal.
>> >>
>> >> Well said!  This was an excellent note, dims.
>> >>
>> >> I also very much believe that an Axis2 TLP will help get us focused on
>> >> moving forward.
>> >>
>> >>> fwiw, Juddi and xmlrpc do not have sufficient people on board to go
>> >>> TLP as of this moment. Yes, we should try harder to get more people
>> >>> involved there or we end up moth-balling them.
>> >>
>> >> Well, yeah - they're certainly not TLP-capable, but as they're already
>> >> subprojects I'd like to put off the decision to moth-ball them for a
>> >> while
>> >> as long as there is at least one person dedicated to working on them...
>> >> hence the proposal to keep these guys under WS.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> --Glen
>> >>
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
>> > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
>> > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
>> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>> > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
>> >
>> > Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
>> >
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>>
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>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
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>
>
> --
> With Mettha,
> Eran Chinthaka
>
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