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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:18:26 GMT
Let's flip the question, What do you have with Status Quo that you are
so opposed to change for the better?

-- dims

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
<sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
> How does becoming a TLP change the status quo for getting things done?
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> No one is asking that everyone needs to get excited at the proposal.
>> If people are interested, let it move forward. If no one is
>> interested, it will just drop dead.  If people take this forward, they
>> will decide what to do next when the TLP is formed, no one will be
>> forced to sign up for work or need to get excited unnecessarily.
>>
>> In other words, Status Quo sucks! let's try something. If it works
>> that's fine. If it doesn't there will be just another TLP. Hey we get
>> one more guy to become a VP :)
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>> <sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and
>>>>> able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are
>>>>> today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward
>>>>> looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from
>>>>> looking at the mailing lists. I am trying to see if we can jumpstart
>>>>> that as well with this proposal.
>>>>>
>>>> Well part of the reason behind that is everyone is busy with their day
>>>> to day work ,
>>>> for example when we start Axis2 we were fully focus on Axis2 .
>>>> So it was so easy for us to do all those , but now we work on Axis2 and
>>>> answer the mail
>>>> when we get some free time. Anyway I agree that there are some
>>>> improvements that we need to do.
>>>
>>> Also the other reason IMO is that axis2 is mostly "done" .. I have no
>>> objection at all to someone starting an axis3 or doing a lot of changes
>>> to
>>> axis2, but I personally don't have major problems that I see need to be
>>> fixed in axis2. Yes there are tons of JIRAs and lots of small issues, but
>>> those don't warrant / motivate the types of weekly chats and
>>> architectural
>>> conversations that we had in the early days.
>>>
>>> IMO the kernel of a SOAP stack is mostly a solved problem now. I think
>>> even
>>> CXF is seeing that .. and you don't see people writing new soap stacks
>>> any
>>> more!
>>>
>>> Again, if someone has a cool idea for a radical innovation what would
>>> drive
>>> yet another order of magnitude improvement (or there abouts) then I'm all
>>> ears for it. I personally haven't "seen the light" on how to improve the
>>> core of Axis2 & CXF any more at this point. That absolutely could change
>>> tomorrow, next week, next month or next year but not today, at least for
>>> me.
>>> I'm not talking about incremental changes but rather radical innovation -
>>> the type of thing that will grab people and get their creative juices
>>> flowing.
>>>
>>> IMO a lot of the work that's interesting is now going on around Axis2,
>>> not
>>> in the core of it. Example, writing new deployers that plug in more
>>> stuff,
>>> writing cool transports etc. etc. - those all hang around axis2 but that
>>> doesn't make axis2 itself really improve.
>>>
>>> Sanjiva.
>>> --
>>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
>>> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
>>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>>> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
>>>
>>> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
>
> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
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