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From "Davanum Srinivas" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:49:33 GMT
Dear Team,

For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level
that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better
than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made
transitions including XML and Jakarta.

One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer
set takes better care of the code, web site, releases, legal issues
and basic oversight of day to day workings of a PMC better than a huge
umbrella PMC. For example, personally i think Synapse has thrived
after it left the fold.

Take a look at our web site(s), take a look at our release
schedules(s) - for all projects, take a look at our bug tracker(s).
Does anyone see that we are doing an excellent job?

We need to gather momentum, going TLP is an excellent way to do that.
A small focused team that is working on a single goal of getting a
good set of Axis2 related projects going is i think the right way to
go. I think the Axis2 eco system will do better when we go TLP.

Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and
able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are
today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward
looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from
looking at the mailing lists. I am trying to see if we can jumpstart
that as well with this proposal.

fwiw, Juddi and xmlrpc do not have sufficient people on board to go
TLP as of this moment. Yes, we should try harder to get more people
involved there or we end up moth-balling them.


On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
<> wrote:
> I'm -1 because the Axis2 project is not just axis2- its a collection of
> enabling pieces (axiom, neethi at least) and a bunch of up stream components
> (rampart, sandesha2, kandula2, wss4j etc.). So its really the "web services"
> project with an entire ws-* framework being covered by that. Calling the
> whole thing axis2 is not right as its not just about axis2.
> I would like to clearly identify components within the ws project that are
> retired or "finished". These include (from what I know) scout, wsif, axis1,
> jaxme, kandula1, and sandesha1. However, as Nadra's message shows, there are
> parts of the "axis1 family" still alive and kicking.
> There are other projects that I think do not use axis1 or axis2 - for
> example juddi & xmlrpc - that I think could go TLP on their own to reduce
> the size of ws.
> So I'm -1.
> However, Glen, what was the motivation for originating that thread? Is there
> something broken that needs to be fixed? IIRC Dims was always against
> splitting when he was PMC chair and I'd like to hear the reason for and
> against by both Glen and Dims too.
> Sanjiva.
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Folks,
>> There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here....
>> So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate
>> TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome.
>> thanks,
>> dims
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;
> Member; Apache Software Foundation;
> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
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