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Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:35:08 -0400
From: "Jon Steelman" <jon.steelman@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Build server - what do we do?
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I understand. These IDEs have layers like onions and it takes time for the
feature sets to be revealed and appreciated. Once someone has soaked up the
*way* of an IDE, for better or for worse that comfort often becomes the
determining factor. IDEA is designed to feel more natural (their tagline
"Develop with Pleasure") but it doesn't always work out that way right away
for those heavily vested in something else. To be quite frank, even most
long term IDEA users only know a fraction of the features and don't ever
bother to go looking for more. Possibly they are too busy getting things
done but often it is a morbid lack of curiosity.

Jon


On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Igor Vaynberg <igor.vaynberg@gmail.com>
wrote:

> i find eclipse does everything i want almost exactly how i want. so
> its not about the featureset, rather its more about how i want those
> features to work. ive tried idea 6 for a while and for me things were
> not organized how i expected them, so to find anything was a battle. i
> took it for a ride for a few days and it didnt click, i cant take it
> for a longer ride because i have things to do :) also i would have to
> throw away a lot of muscle memory i already built up for eclipse, so
> idea would really have to have some awesome features that eclipse is
> missing and that will make my life a lot easier, so far i havent found
> any.
>
> -igor
>
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jon Steelman <jon.steelman@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Gotcha. Was curious. I can hardly agree with your statement about
> eclipse
> >  versus idea as I've converted dozens upon dozens of developers from
> eclipse
> >  to idea but over many contracts by demostrating feature after feature
> in
> >  idea not in eclipse. So, I've heard your statement many times before
> and
> >  watched those Eclipse power users make the conversion in a few months.
> >  However, no need for a religious war.  :-)
> >
> >  Jon
> >
> >  On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Igor Vaynberg <igor.vaynberg@gmail.com
> >
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  > im not picky about any of this stuff, simply use the best of breed. i
> >  > think teamcity is good, at least i havent used anything better, and i
> >  > think that eclipse is better then idea. just because teamcity is made
> >  > by the same folks as idea doesnt mean i wouldnt use it.
> >  >
> >  > -igor
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jon Steelman <jon.steelman@gmail.com>
> >  > wrote:
> >  > > Yes, I know about the Eclipse plugin. Figured most TC users were
> IDEA or
> >  > >  that the opensource types would seek out an opensource equivalent
> >  > unless a
> >  > >  company imposed TC on a mixed ide environment.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Jon
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >  On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Martijn Dashorst <
> >  > >
> >  > > martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > > On 5/3/08, Jon Steelman <jon.steelman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > >  > > You core commiter guys use TeamCity.... but I had the
> impression
> >  > you guy
> >  > >  > use
> >  > >  > >  Eclipse and not IDEA?
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > How does that compare? Teamcity is not tied to IDEA, there is
> even an
> >  > >  > eclipse plugin.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Martijn
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > --
> >  > >  > Buy Wicket in Action: http://manning.com/dashorst
> >  > >  > Apache Wicket 1.3.3 is released
> >  > >  > Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.3
> >  > >  >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >
>

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