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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release Velocity 1.5 (again, this time for real. :-) )
Date Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:48:00 GMT

On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:

> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <> writes:
>>> because Maven2 has issues and that's what the current site is being
>>> built with.  i've tried to get it working on my machine, but no luck
>>> yet.
>> Then I'd argue this shouldn't be our site until this is fixed :)
> Geir,
> sorry for me starting to lose my patience here, but this is the thing:
> Between November '06 and now I tried to make the new velocity project
> site and the engine docs to be an as good user experience as can be.
> I put a lot of work in this using maven. There have been a number of
> things sprouted from here that you can review under site/tools. I also
> found enough bugs in maven and its components to fill a small
> folder. That is how open source works. Especially open source that
> tries to be somewhat on the "Leading wave".
> Up until now, all you did was saying "I don't like this". "I'm
> concerned about this". "I'd argue that we do it differently".

I don't recall.  I'm usually not that prescient.

> The thing is: That is not helping. Actually, it is frustrating in a
> big way.
> I'd like you to spent some time to take a look at what is there, not
> what you would like to have (and then seem to expect to appear
> automagically).

I didn't ask you to change anything, IIRC.

> If you find things missing, being less than ideal, I'd
> encourage you to either
> a) fix it
> b) open issues for it
> Please review wheter doing neither a) nor b) but just leaning back and
> saying "I'd argue that this should not be our site until it is fixed"
> is really a constructive and encouraging way to work in a (regrettably
> small) developer community.

Henning - what you are saying is that you broke it and you want me to  
fix it?  I'm not sure I like that.  I tend to believe that except  
when people agree to do the contrary, it's a good idea to ensure that  
any works-in-progress remain uncommitted, or in a branch or  
whiteboard, to ensure that there's a working configuration available  
to anyone to work with.

I haven't commented on the site, the quality of it or anything like  
that.  I simply noted surprise that we have a site that only you can  
build, and noted that maybe that shouldn't actually be the official  
project site until that's fixed.


> 	Best regards
> 		Henning
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