On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Thomas Gentsch <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hi Thomas, Happy New Year!
now, I did some more reading etc and believe now that I mostly
understand what's going on :-)
The main missing pieces were these (correct? Possibly my terminology is
a bit fuzzy :-):
Q: When are SDOs used (in SCA M3) and when not?
A: If an interface of a service uses complex types as in/out params or
return value, otherwise simple types (like int, bool, string) are used.
Complex types (i.e. class instances) an XSD are passed in/out as SDO
Q: Is there some kind of request routing?
A: Local calls are resolved during OS-loader-time. One component calling
another is written as regular C++ code which results in compiled code as
unresolved reference that must be satisfied during runtime by the target
component which in turn must be loaded as shared library
No, if I remember correctly (as M3 was a long time ago,) wires were resolved by Composite::resolveWires, then invocation of a component involved CPPServiceWrapper::getServiceWrapper to load the component library, lookup a factory function named after the service name, create an instance of CPPServiceWrapper, and eventually executing generated code in CPPServiceWrapper::invokeService to dispatch the call to the target C++ component method.
In trunk, the equivalent of invokeService is the apply function, and currently needs to be written by hand as scagen has not been maintained (but could be brought back if somebody was interested in maintaining it).
Q: What is the purpose of composite files with pure C++ modules?
A: If a composite consists only of local components all calls are
resolved by the OS loader. In that case basically the composite
definition file mainly states which interfaces are in which shared lib
and in which order are the libs to be loaded.
See above, both M3 and trunk resolve wiring dynamically.
Q: How are remote request handled?
A: Remote interfaces are described using WSDL, which must be processed
using the tool scagen to generate a "ServiceWrapper" and a
"ServiceProxy" that act as client (proxy) and server (wrapper) stubs.
In M3 ServiceWrapper and ServiceProxy were generated from WSDL by scagen and were used for both local and remote invocations.
However, some things are still unclear:
Q: If there is nothing like request routing, how does the "wiring" work
if the calls are actually hardcoded?
Besides of these questions a few non-technical ones:
Q: The trunk code stream looks to me like a complete re-write. With even
the component interfaces changing and nobody complaining I guess that
there is nobody actually really using Tuscany SCA C++?
I just checked M3 again and it looks that way now when we compare trunk in 2013 and M3 from 2006/2007. The code has evolved slowly but after 6 years I'm not really surprised.
Q: Besides of people using it, is there anybody besides you working on
I'm not really sure. I've been the only one pushing changes to trunk recently. I noticed a new lightweight-sca clone branch recently but can't remember who created it. When I get tech questions here, in email or IRC, and find time, I try to answer without bothering people asking what they're doing with the code, so there may be more clone branches here or on github for example, as the code is open to anyone who wants to hack on it.
Q: To which extent are both the M3 and trunk versions "stable"? M3
probably in the sense that nobody works on it anymore but is it mostly
M3 has not changed since 2007. Trunk is moving slowly as I only spend a little spare time on it on some weekends or holidays. Complete and usable are subjective notions, as IMO an open-source project is not 'complete' as long as people are still interested in evolving it, and 'usable' depends on the use case.
Q: What about interoperability with Tuscany Java? I suppose both M3 and
trunk are OK as long as the binding is the same (and on the wire it is
XML or whatever anyway). Which common binding types exist?
With M3, REST. With trunk, REST and SOAP.
Generally I have to admit that I liked the old implementation more,
though this maybe caused by the new language features in trunk I'm not
familiar with yet.
I've worked on C++ M3, trunk and even the Java project so I can imagine why someone would prefer one or the other. The good thing is that they're here in the open and you can do what you want with the code, use the bits you prefer, mix them, or even contribute to maintain or change them to something you like, if you're interested.
Q: With the new value/list types, if there is no relation with XSD
anymore, can you also query information about object types, e.g. which
properties a class shall have? This is probably not needed in the SCA
code, but maybe in custom extensions ...
There isn't anything in the runtime to allow you to query the types, but if you have an XML (or JSON) schema, and a schema library that you'd like to use with your types, there's no reason why you couldn't use that library along with SCA.
Also, type enforcement is not necessarily a disadvantage (admittedly
I'm not sure if you're talking about validating the data exchanged with SCA components (which could be done with a validating proxy) or about generating static code from schema type definitions, but both approaches should work nicely along M3 or trunk (for the latter you'd need a generator like scagen on top of the runtime invocation mechanism.)
Many thx again + regards,
On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 23:49 -0800, Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Jean-Sebastien Delfino
> Hi all,
> I had a few more offline Q&A exchanges with Thomas, and
> thought it'd be useful to share a summary here:
> Q: In the C++ trunk, is DataObject now replaced by
> tuscany::value and tuscany::list?
> A: Yes
> BTW I just committed a number of changes I made over the holidays,
> including some improvements to tuscany::value and tuscany::list, in
> particular to work with lists, nested lists and trees of key/value
> pairs (aka associations) as well as some minor improvements to handle
> comparisons of floating point number values.
> - Jean-Sebastien