Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-tuscany-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 77855 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2010 08:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 08:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 58817 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2010 08:02:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-tuscany-dev-archive@tuscany.apache.org Received: (qmail 58564 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2010 08:02:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@tuscany.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@tuscany.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@tuscany.apache.org Received: (qmail 58552 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jun 2010 08:02:52 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:02:52 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of simonslaws@googlemail.com designates 74.125.83.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.53] (HELO mail-gw0-f53.google.com) (74.125.83.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:02:46 +0000 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so672569gwb.26 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O5KC5WmDoSzBwrjxNgblVH0tk8S2K+kldLO9j2x3Wok=; b=RR3zJXmDAivMWtlgXU0++vJO+rvsQumhmPoHu9Bg03WkUZ5ROCi6fjzJkHYgZRS7HD mbLXhCcZOJaSP7JcjHzSYDq2AAKKi3T4LpWzKaAyryp0qVipBzCzIE3xdZRQmH35UbzK gX15ttH2TouMgM9XKxrlq9qlZsicSpGiEs9HA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=X8CbPR/tY29PpyG8bFQ9a0gUwR3sRmka7jwrp8iB9UDr9/C+JlOdBoA404/VUkTMVn +LwXVb8LmAGV0WK9GfpBS33NLsP4eV/FtTNkhrp9jUUbx2JMBHqefP+YtuUD2BmGjdJ2 JjqWBSXFv0VR9eoWrrNzUS805XM3TPb/kXp64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.56.23 with SMTP id e23mr12199367ana.258.1275638545639; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.68.15 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:02:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:02:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lib directory in binary distro From: Simon Laws To: dev@tuscany.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Raymond Feng wrote: > >> If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental >> and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure >> the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an >> excuse to stay as-is in the future :-). >> Thanks, >> Raymond > > In the past, people have told me multiple times that I can't change > something because we have previously released it. So, as suggested by > Raymond, if we release it, I want to make sure we clearly mention this > is experimental and might go away in the future. My personal > preference would be to make it available in trunk where people > interested in this approach could evaluate/play with it. > > > -- > Luciano Resende > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > My feeling is that these are milestone releases as we head towards a 2.0 release proper and I don't personally feel that there are sacred cows in there, i.e. I don't subscribe to the "once it's it it can't be removed" notion. We do need to have a discussion about the format/structure/capabilities of the 2.0 release and when we think we might be ready to create such a thing. To a certain a extent we've been down this road before and for some reason it's not been plain sailing. We do though need to reach some conclusions so that we can get on with building the interesting stuff. So first things first how do people suggest we go about doing that? Simon -- Apache Tuscany committer: tuscany.apache.org Co-author of a book about Tuscany and SCA: tuscanyinaction.com