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From Simon Nash <n...@hursley.ibm.com>
Subject Re: Do we need Ant builds for our samples? was: SCA source tree and build structure
Date Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:09:25 GMT
I'll jump in here, as I was the one pushing this proposal for M2.

I think it's useful to have some samples building using Ant to show
how someone who isn't a maven user can build Tuscany applications
(rather than Tuscany itself).  In this sense, the Ant scripts serve
as a template for people to create their own build scripts using their
build tool or IDE of choice.

When I started to do this for M2, I very soon got beyond the Ant/maven
differences and ran into issues of how the distribution was packaged
and how extensions and dependencies were located or downloaded.  It is
not a lot of work to maintain a few Ant scripts for selected samples
in parallel to maven poms.  It is much more work to address the other
environmental issues that are tied to an assumption that maven will be
the sole build tool for Tuscany applications and the sole repository
for Tuscany distributions and dependent artifacts.

I'm still interested in making progress in this area.  For now I agree
that we should get everything building smoothly with maven.  When we
have achieved that, I think it would make sense to take a step back and
think about how a user could build and run Tuscany applications without
using maven or depending on artifacts held in maven repositories.

   Simon

Luciano Resende wrote:

> I'd prefer to focus on getting our maven build working smoothness first.
> 
> On 4/3/07, Bert Lamb <alamb@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> My gut tells me there has to be a way to make our maven build easier
>> than it is right now, and I think we are on track to do that.  So if
>> we can make the maven build simple enough to run then that should be
>> good enough, no?
>>
>> If, however, we can't get to the point where you can just run "mvn
>> install" to build a sample, then I think we could investigate simpler
>> ant scripts.
>>
>> -Bert
>>
>> On 4/3/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <jsdelfino@apache.org> wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > Bert Lamb wrote:
>> > > I agree with almost all of this
>> >
>> > Great :)
>> >
>> > > except the part about having ant and
>> > > maven builds, this sounds like the beginning of a dual maintenance 
>> rat
>> > > hole that I doubt we want to go down.
>> >
>> > Here is why I was proposing an Ant build for the samples:
>> > - We had this in M1, our samples were initially only built with Maven
>> > but then we thought that it would simpler for our users to be able to
>> > build the samples with just Ant. IIRC our M1 release included Ant
>> > scripts for the samples.
>> > - We wanted to have Ant scripts in M2 (see [1] and [2]) but they
>> > eventually didn't make it to the actual release distribution.
>> >
>> > The idea is to help Ant users build our samples. Also, I'd like to make
>> > sure that our runtime story is not too tied to Maven and that it's
>> > actually convenient to build SCA/Tuscany applications with something
>> > else than Maven. On the other hand we need to show how to build some
>> > samples with Maven as well. Other projects like Axis2 for example have
>> > adopted a similar approach. They build their runtime with Maven, and
>> > their samples with Ant.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, I agree with you about the dual maintenance rat
>> > hole... I don't want dual maintenance either. To avoid dual maintenance
>> > maybe we could have the pom.xml just call the ant script? or have some
>> > samples built with Ant, some with Maven? or... I'm also happy to not
>> > worry about building samples with Ant for now if people think that it's
>> > not useful, I don't particularly like writing build scripts :)
>> >
>> > What do people think?
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-tuscany-dev/200611.mbox/%3C455BA409.2090804@hursley.ibm.com%3E

>>
>> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-906
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jean-Sebastien
>> >
>> >
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