Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-trafficserver-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-trafficserver-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE00210BB3 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14442 invoked by uid 500); 25 Nov 2013 23:27:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-trafficserver-users-archive@trafficserver.apache.org Received: (qmail 14383 invoked by uid 500); 25 Nov 2013 23:27:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@trafficserver.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: users@trafficserver.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list users@trafficserver.apache.org Received: (qmail 14375 invoked by uid 99); 25 Nov 2013 23:27:20 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:27:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [209.85.212.181] (HELO mail-wi0-f181.google.com) (209.85.212.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:27:16 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hq4so4819468wib.8 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:26:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=qMb1u6GxpVNmuRUgIN56/k/FdDHk/sqmZEngO3scrsA=; b=f4h+fhKbCi/pqm1zsitEyJA3KTJm4ZA5D2p8FIIPMU8eUB//omcsVFw/61Hu+ENdHy wotrU/mCDqoajINY9h5XSrT1b0bIJx9RI21ZUnQ1cUgSNGW9eAe4aukgvAuhbQPk4iob 6JMTCNDK68yrbolh9TYe2MfFdqDsoXepdvAttPDFexwCp4Um9Hoz5PiC8xZo665250Nv NJml/qvpe+yu+tSvX6JZpPHkHrnq8jFA7qDfutiL2drhdn0OffCxX8WgPMtef79X7Wr8 Dal9G1AkZpY1Apg6gmt+O1zkR+5BpHY0ElAF88Qdpk1z7tK+JhuexEOFHFmbTS007xfe L6GA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmIRoIaT9ecS5iuZKgbXi+TmXhp2MSDEDoK51YgQVxBvQREVz9JSjI7aUltRby3UqG4DEC5 X-Received: by 10.194.240.197 with SMTP id wc5mr24978935wjc.23.1385422014744; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mushkin.tanso.net ([2a01:79d:469d:b5e0:6e88:14ff:fe36:9a80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id je17sm54338867wic.4.2013.11.25.15.26.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mushkin.tanso.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mushkin.tanso.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rAPNQqvT009060; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:26:52 +0100 Received: (from janfrode@localhost) by mushkin.tanso.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id rAPNQpl8009059; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:26:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: mushkin.tanso.net: janfrode set sender to janfrode@tanso.net using -f Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:26:51 +0100 From: Jan-Frode Myklebust To: Igor =?utf-8?B?R2FsacSH?= Cc: users@trafficserver.apache.org Subject: Re: Forward Secrecy ? Message-ID: <20131125232651.GA6329@mushkin.tanso.net> References: <20131124144749.GA14763@mushkin.tanso.net> <4237E9EB-B046-4F54-B709-EEC5D7A66D96@apache.org> <20131124185534.GA27235@mushkin.tanso.net> <20131124225224.GA9741@mushkin.tanso.net> <1578796287.249007.1385367755846.JavaMail.zimbra@brainsware.org> <20131125090211.GB9666@mushkin.tanso.net> <6CCE0E9A-344F-4BD3-893D-920AFA90B4FE@apache.org> <436797639.253119.1385419662916.JavaMail.zimbra@brainsware.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <436797639.253119.1385419662916.JavaMail.zimbra@brainsware.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:47:42PM +0000, Igor Galić wrote: > > Every curve that comes from J. A. Solinas I would declare on the simple > basis that they work for the NSA as untrustworthy, no matter whether > these constants are good or bad or NIST recommended and in an RFC simply > for having all together produced and standardized DUAL_EC_DRBG. > > Frankly, I think we should prepare the code, but wait out the storm as > to which algorithms to chose. But can the server dictate any other curves than what the browsers support ? As far as I understand NIST P-256 and P-384 are the only curves widely supported by browsers.. http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/31772/what-elliptic-curves-are-supported-by-browsers http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/42088/can-custom-elliptic-curves-be-used-in-common-tls-implementations http://www.carbonwind.net/blog/post/A-quick-look-over-some-browsers-and-their-SSLTLS-implementations.aspx plus I suspect curve25519 might soon be available in chrome, and others might follow: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg05852.html (interesting thread, and it casts some doubt to if the NIST curves can be backdoored..) -jf