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From Andy Gumbrecht <>
Subject Re: TomEE -Java EE 8 compatible or certified ?
Date Wed, 27 Sep 2017 05:01:59 GMT
Hi Danilo,

I'd personally only consider Hibernate or EclipseLink as production 
contenders with TomEE. We can certify with either, but can only 
distribute EclipseLink.

OpenJPA has lost it's momentum for sure, but that doesn't mean TomEE 
will stand still at all. It's only about packaging, so quite trivial really.

That said, I'm sure that being OSS means that anyone willing can dive 
into OpenJPA and make things happen. Even you might like to help?


On 25/09/17 15:20, Danilo Cominotti Marques wrote:
> Hello, David!
> Thanks for all the details. However, there is another point that currently
> worries me: is there any progress on the OpenJPA side of things? By looking
> at the commits log on GitHub (which should mirror the Apache repository),
> it doesn't seem like a 3.x release that targets JPA 2.1 will happen anytime
> soon. Furthermore, the issues targeted at version 3.0.0 in OpenJPA's JIRA
> seem not to have received any attention for over a year. Therefore, unless
> I am mistaken about OpenJPA's current condition, I don't see TomEE
> [non-Plume] implementing all of Java EE 7 soon either, never mind Java EE 8
> with JPA 2.2.
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:02 PM, David Blevins <>
> wrote:
>> Hi Francois!
>> As Mark mentions the Java EE 8 work is going on now.  It will be
>> compatible, but not certified -- at least not directly.
>> The story there is the Java EE TCK licensing agreement between Oracle and
>> Apache expired and is not being renewed due to disagreement on the terms.
>> So Apache does not have a Java EE 8 TCK.  With my Apache hat on, I worked
>> with Cameron Purdy, then SVP of Development at Oracle, for over 2 years
>> trying to get a new agreement made.  When he departed Oracle, the progress
>> stopped on the Oracle side.
>> I then switched hats and began pursing things from the Tomitribe.  After a
>> year we have licensed and paid for a TCK.  We can't legally give it to
>> Apache (Oracle's rules) nor can we legally release Apache TomEE (Apache's
>> rules), but we can legally certify something that is 100% Apache TomEE, but
>> with a different name.  I.e. we can take TomEE zip, rename it, run it
>> through the TCK and put it up.  We intend to do that so that Apache TomEE
>> releases are in spirit, certified.
>> There are some challenges ahead, such as only Tomitribe people can run the
>> TCK or see the results.  Java EE itself is being open sourced, TCKs and
>> all, so this will have a better solution long-term.  Short-term we'll have
>> to power through together as a community and support each other the best we
>> can.
>> --
>> David Blevins
>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:15 AM, COURTAULT Francois <
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> As Java EE 8 is out, could you tell us when a TomEE version will be at
>> least compatible or certified released ?
>>> Any pointer to TomEE roadmap ? (Maybe an announcement at Oracle Java One
>> ?)
>>> Have to wait for TomEE 9 because of Servlet 4.0 ?
>>> Best Regards.
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