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From Christopher Schultz <>
Subject Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE
Date Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:33:07 GMT
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On 11/3/14 4:12 PM, wrote:
> Even Tomcat newbies have to do real work that will find its way to
> a real server.
> Either of the benefits you described as a) and b) mean
> CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE need to be separate on a real
> server.
> I would rather get it straight from the outset rather than mess
> about with a configuration that is going nowhere.

Separating a unified Tomcat deployment into CATALINA_HOME and
CATALINA_BASE is pretty trivial. Your configuration isn't "going nowhere".

Do you know what's worse than a simple configuration to start that can
grow into a complex one? One that is so complex you can't even get
started. Have you ever configured Weblogic? There is (or was, back in
circa 2001 when I had the misfortune of working on that platform) no
such thing as "unzip and run bin/ to launch the server". No,
you basically had to go and get trained (at a high cost, by corporate
trainers, of course) to do anything at all with the darned thing.

If you want to talk about a configuration that is going nowhere,
anything that is automatically done by Eclipse, NetBeans, etc. is not
going anywhere.

> NetBeans separates out CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE, either 
> automatically making its own decisions about the content of 
> CATALINA_BASE or manually by allowing you to specify your own hand 
> crafted directory.
> I just made the switch from letting NetBeans populate
> CATALINA_BASE, to doing it myself. Naturally I want to avoid having
> the same files appear in both directories so I went for minimal
> content.
> How much easier it would be if the Tomcat distribution had the 
> correct separation build in.

It would be harder for newbies and no real benefit to experts.

Let me show you the difference in complexity between deploying Tomcat
with a unified versus split configuration:

- -------

$ wget http://host/path/to/tomcat-x.y.z.tar.gz
$ tar xzf http://host/path/to/tomcat-x.y.z.tar.gz
$ tomcat-x.y.z/bin/


- ---------
$ wget http://host/path/to/tomcat-x.y.z.tar.gz
$ tar xzf http://host/path/to/tomcat-x.y.z.tar.gz
$ mkdir -p my-tomcat-base/conf
$ mkdir -p my-tomcat-base/log
$ mkdir -p my-tomcat-base/work
$ mkdir -p my-tomcat-base/temp
$ mkdir -p my-tomcat-base/webapps
$ cp tomcat-x.y.z/conf/server.xml my-tomcat-base/conf
$ cp tomcat-x.y.z/conf/web.xml my-tomcat-base/conf
  (the above step may not actually be necessary)
$ cp tomcat-x.y.z/webapps/ROOT my-tomcat-base/webapps
$ export CATALINA_HOME=`pwd`/tomcat-x.y.z
$ export CATALINA_BASE=`pwd`/my-tomcat-base


So, that's not all that complicated when you think about it, but to
ask someone who knows nothing about a command-line, working
effectively in an operating system, etc. and only knows about
programming in Java -- maybe only servlet programming in Java -- to
configure the server in the split case is confusing as all hell.

Anyone downloading a ZIP or tar archive containing a Tomcat
installation would be confused if the archive contained not one but
two top-level directories. Also, it would overwrite your
split-configuration if you unpacked that archive in the same directory
as when you first started.

An installer program would have to explain what in the world the split
configuration was. Have you ever tried to tell someone how to set up
their email? POP versus IMAP? Most users have absolutely no idea what
that is, and mail programs give no clue as to which one to choose. The
same would be true of CATALINA_HOME versus CATALINA_BASE. (Besides, I
truly doubt that any expert system administrators are using the Tomcat
Windows Installer to install/upgrade their systems. Maybe I'm wrong,
but then again I can't imagine running a Windows server in production.
I value my sleep and prefer to build new things instead of holding
together configurations with chewing gum and duct tape. Oh, and
rebooting all the time.)

Anyhow, we can debate this all you want, but I will be -0 or even -1
to a default split-configuration of Tomcat unless someone has a really
good idea for how to make it make sense to anyone on their first-touch.

- -chris
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