Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-tomcat-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AED4E5EA for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 79059 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2013 17:02:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-users-archive@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 78997 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2013 17:02:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@tomcat.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list users@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 78355 invoked by uid 99); 6 Feb 2013 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:02:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [76.96.62.32] (HELO qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.32) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:01:56 +0000 Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x03C1k0030bG4ec5351ah8; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:01:34 +0000 Received: from Christophers-MacBook-Pro.local ([69.250.217.236]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x51Z1k00q56cnsd3P51aaT; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <51128C6C.7000600@christopherschultz.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:01:32 -0500 From: Christopher Schultz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [Seriously OT] Help in diagnosing server unresponsiveness References: <510C157C.2000100@christopherschultz.net> <51118EB3.8080005@christopherschultz.net> <7215BA462D00D343B2837F9113F0131F0127868C78@POSTOFFICE02.polydyne.com> In-Reply-To: <7215BA462D00D343B2837F9113F0131F0127868C78@POSTOFFICE02.polydyne.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1360170094; bh=zGLRtlMYzNb7V+Vlgn77K8l8IkHl6TpAbLjH5dxSupA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=afiaMCm8TvtuviwlgRQkJFrKQppJzE23f9UD1YlwFEcRFCfBRgEntC8AlNVSJajF/ zWkasI19EhfOe3WNNZm4GDos4oSOIIrT15rdzMj4sNqVklkyDBRVMPFOVnhXG3wodl ZF3GlFmrxjKSe/YklXhEGCjeQC7SHxi15VIIn0lN66dKCTfzea8K0JEMPS7LVSoMKa 0KZVq5pY3tQxgpkel8yQMky1lfNjAQ/KehbsBhkkDEuXMdUFtOvteNgqdonV3HYD6w OXr3BKGG56+jbScfEzfmMq0PsFpXdzI+ZjhVPW+Vm94t3QtTyjtXwZ45KuyEAZ7Yfa 0zRS+839ca1bg== X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Jeffrey, On 2/6/13 10:26 AM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: >> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Schultz >> [mailto:chris@christopherschultz.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, >> 2013 4:59 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [Seriously OT] >> Help in diagnosing server unresponsiveness >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> IMO, developer performance trumps runtime performance most of the >> time. So, if you can create a more maintainable system in less >> time by using EJB (or whatever), then you go ahead and do it: >> servers are cheap, while developer time is expensive. >> >> - -chris > > Chris, I'd like to differ with you on this last point. As someone > who's been a developer, support person, and admin, I've got a > pretty good perspective on this subject. While servers may be > cheap, they will never be cheap enough to overcome poor programming > practices. I've worked with systems so poorly designed that we > couldn't purchase a system big enough to run the software > adequately, once you got above a handful of users. Yes, it's gotten > to the point where systems are much cheaper than they used to be, > while developer salaries are only increasing (supposedly), so > wasting time on some minor performance improvement may not be > cost-effective. However, when you aggregate the time that hundreds > of users spend waiting on a response from a poorly designed, > unresponsive system, I think you'll find that it trumps the cost of > having the developer spending a few extra minutes to "get it right > the first time". How about "servers are a lot cheaper than competent software developers"? ;) - -chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEAREIAAYFAlESjGwACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PDqUACgrpSMfS+87G/aofbuyZT/4C9n N9QAmwdTFk7t+JRQEu/75VCVB4SjBgV/ =s59y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org