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From Jeffrey Janner <Jeffrey.Jan...@PolyDyne.com>
Subject RE: [Seriously OT] Help in diagnosing server unresponsiveness
Date Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:07:25 GMT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:Jeffrey.Janner@PolyDyne.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:06 PM
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: [Seriously OT] Help in diagnosing server unresponsiveness
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:chris@christopherschultz.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:02 AM
> > To: Tomcat Users List
> > Subject: Re: [Seriously OT] Help in diagnosing server
> unresponsiveness
> >
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> > Jeffrey,
> >
> > On 2/6/13 10:26 AM, Jeffrey Janner wrote:
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Schultz
> > >> [mailto:chris@christopherschultz.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05,
> > >> 2013 4:59 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [Seriously OT]
> Help
> > >> in diagnosing server unresponsiveness
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> IMO, developer performance trumps runtime performance most of the
> > >> time. So, if you can create a more maintainable system in less
> time
> > >> by using EJB (or whatever), then you go ahead and do it:
> > >> servers are cheap, while developer time is expensive.
> > >>
> > >> - -chris
> > >
> > > Chris, I'd like to differ with you on this last point. As someone
> > > who's been a developer, support person, and admin, I've got a
> pretty
> > > good perspective on this subject. While servers may be cheap, they
> > > will never be cheap enough to overcome poor programming practices.
> > > I've worked with systems so poorly designed that we couldn't
> > > purchase a system big enough to run the software adequately, once
> > > you got
> > above
> > > a handful of users. Yes, it's gotten to the point where systems are
> > > much cheaper than they used to be, while developer salaries are
> only
> > > increasing (supposedly), so wasting time on some minor performance
> > > improvement may not be cost-effective. However, when you aggregate
> > the
> > > time that hundreds of users spend waiting on a response from a
> > > poorly designed, unresponsive system, I think you'll find that it
> > > trumps the cost of having the developer spending a few extra
> minutes
> > > to "get it right the first time".
> >
> > How about "servers are a lot cheaper than competent software
> > developers"? ;)
> >
> > - -chris
> +1
> Can't tell how tired I am of hearing some version of the following:
>  "I don't care to learn how a library/API is supposed to work, I just
> want to use it."

(replying to own post == bad form)
Actually, that line usually begins: "I don't have time to...."

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