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From "Pid *" <>
Subject Re: RE : Tomcat7 OutOFMemoryError
Date Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:21:41 GMT
On 6 Mar 2012, at 08:16, "André Warnier" <> wrote:

> Pid wrote:
>> On 06/03/2012 07:12, Rainer Frey wrote:
>>> On 05.03.2012, at 14:14, Philippe ROUXEL wrote:
>>>>>> When I set JAVA_OPTS= -Xmx1024m -Xss75m
>>>>> That means: each thread get a stack of 75MB. One of the following applies:
>>>>> * the operating system has a limit on thread stack size
>>>>> * the per process memory limit is reached before all initial tomcat threads
are started
>>>>> * the system runs out of total memory before all initial tomcat threads
are started
>>>>> 75MB thread stack size seems quite insane, the default is around 1-2MB.
Perhaps you meant to set -Xms (which sets the initial Java heap size)?
>>>> 75MB of stack is needed by hibenate to save the data aka a graph.
>>> I haven't used hibernate personally, but I never heard anything like that. So
please elaborate. Where did you get that information?
>>> Also what do you mean with "graph"? The graph of associated objects that are
updated by one hibernate call, or is your data actually graph data?
>>> If so, how is that mapped? do you have any self-referential associations?
>>> Is it really stack that you are talking about?
>> I'm also interested in the answers to these questions.
> Ok, to get back to the OP's original question/assumption :
> Assuming that "-Xss75M" tells the JVM to allocate 75 MB of memory for the stack of each
new thread created by the JVM, and noting that for a typical Tomcat instance, a minimum of
about 10 threads seem to be created (with an additional one for each request being processed),
this setting of "-Xss75M" would mean that a minimum of 750 MB is being allocated for the threads'
> Assuming on the other hand that this is a 32-bit system and JVM (the OP didn't really
say, but was mentioning Windows XP), where the maximum addressable memory for a process is
4 GB (of which 1 GB more or less are used by the OS itself); and considering the setting of
-Xmx1024M for the Heap; and considering that the rest of the JVM and Tomcat may use some 1024
MB by themselves (for other things than the Heap and thread stacks);
> Considering all this thus, it is not really so surprising that the OP would get an OOM
error at some point.
> Noting on the other hand that the JVM stack should be mainly used to push and pop subroutine/function
parameters as they are being called, and that a reasonable stack size seems to be around 512KB
at most, this explains several comments here which seem to put in doubt the wisdom of allocation
75 MB for the stack of each Java thread.

75Mb is far too much for the thread stack size in a normal application.

I am not certain that it is necessarily fully allocated, just to
confuse matters further. I vaguely remember another discussion about
this, but can't find it in the archives.


> I am far from a specialist, but considering that Hibernate seems to be some kind of "generic"
tool, it is a bit unlikely that using it would require to set the stack size to an amount
that is at least 150 times the JVM default, no ?
> All this seems to point - as usual - to some application problem, with as Chris pointed
out some runaway recursive function call or similar.
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