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From Jeffrey Janner <>
Subject RE: linux users who unload from zip file can't start tomcat
Date Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:11:21 GMT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert P. J. Day []
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:41 AM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: linux users who unload from zip file can't start tomcat
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > On 02/04/2011 18:56, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > > #2:  the advice is still wrong.  there is a distinct difference
> > > between "recommended" and "required".  if you choose to defend what
> > > you *imagine* you're reading there, feel free.  i, on the other
> hand,
> > > am criticizing (for good reason) what is *actually* there.
> >
> > Criticism is fine, but remember that this is a community, rather
> > than a typical vendor/client relationship. If there is something
> > that you think is wrong, it is at least as much your responsibility
> > as anyone else's to fix it. If you think there is a better wording
> > then let folks know what it is. A patch (in diff -u format) attached
> > to a bugzilla issue is ideal although for small changes just the new
> > wording is fine.
> >
> > If you want/need help building Tomcat to test your change or
> > creating a patch just ask here.
>   my apologies, i was a bit snarkier than i had to be.  in my defense,
> i'm a long-time proofreader and documentation author so i'm
> anal-retentive when it comes to precise wording.

And your reading of the word "recommended" comes from this point of view, i.e. that of a person
whose job it is to apply meticulous, dictionary-based interpretations to every word.  You
have completed missed the context in which the word was used -- that of an article aimed at
computer geeks.  Most of us know the implied meaning of the word "recommended" in this context,
which is:

If you want the least amount of trouble getting this to work, you will use this version. 
Yes the other will probably work, but you might experience some issues (headaches) in getting
it to work correctly without some additional effort.

In fact, that statement is exactly true for Tomcat.  Because Tomcat is Java-based, it will
work no matter which file you download, either the tarball or the zip archive.  You can download
the tarball for your Windows system and all the files will be there, but you might have a
little difficulty extracting them if you don't have a Windows-based version of tar (is there
one?). So in this case, the recommended download is the zip file, since modern windows has
a built-in unzip utility.

In fact, "recommended" has been a common term, used as above, in the computer industry for
decades.  Look at the "Recommended Configuration" for any software package.  Some things might
be listed as "required" but most will be listed as "recommended".  We computer jockeys are
adept at reading the implied meanings in those specs.

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