Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 92862 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2010 19:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 6 Sep 2010 19:28:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 93884 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2010 19:28:37 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-users-archive@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 93684 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2010 19:28:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@tomcat.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list users@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 93675 invoked by uid 99); 6 Sep 2010 19:28:36 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:28:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of aw@ice-sa.com designates 212.85.38.228 as permitted sender) Received: from [212.85.38.228] (HELO tor.combios.es) (212.85.38.228) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:28:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.245.129] (p549E2027.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.158.32.39]) by tor.combios.es (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5101522632F for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C85407E.8040902@ice-sa.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:26:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Warnier?= Reply-To: Tomcat Users List User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: interaction between .forward() and References: <4C82034B.2070306@googlemail.com> <99C8B2929B39C24493377AC7A121E21F99C16494CC@USEA-EXCH8.na.uis.unisys.com> <4C826847.8050100@googlemail.com> <4C827363.1030605@ice-sa.com> <4C8502FD.7040900@googlemail.com> <4C851528.8070107@pidster.com> <4C851C14.2090608@ice-sa.com> <4C8521E3.2000608@pidster.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8521E3.2000608@pidster.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pid wrote: > On 06/09/2010 17:51, Andr� Warnier wrote: >> Pid wrote: >> ... >> >>> Assuming you're not running on hamster powered servers, yes, with modern >>> software & hardware it's quite cheap. >>> >> I find this remark very discriminatory toward hamsters. What makes you >> think that hamsters are worse than tomcats or penguins or even apples, he ? >> We've got several parallel-multi-hamster servers here, and they are >> doing just fine, even with java. They are also much quieter, more >> energy-efficient and easier to care for than tomcats or camels. > > Hamsters are fickle, unpredictable workers and are notorious for having > a short life. A hamster wheel, contrary to your assertion, is not quiet. > > N.B. An average sized camel won't fit inside the average sized server > chassis. > Neither will a tomcat or a penguin. I mean, they can be made to fit, but they clog the ventilation channels and that leads to severe overheating. Chuck's stick option is interesting however, and I'll bring it up at the next hardware planning meeting. To get back to hamsters, contrarily to what you assert they are very diligent and fast, and they compensate their limited memory with their built-in storage and pipelining capabilities; they easily fit into server racks (specially our Roborowskis), and they have a few other logistical advantages : they do not generate a lot of heat, so we don't need expensive cooling systems; their lifetime approximately matches those of Intel chips, so we haven't had to buy new processors in the last couple of years : we just breed them. This way we have a natural permanent upgrade process, with always at least 33% last-generation processors. Their one real inconvenient is that they look like mice, so we have to keep them separate from our tomcats. But for that we use separate racks, with mod_jk connections. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org