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From "Allen Razdow" <araz...@truenum.com>
Subject RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
Date Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:31:09 GMT
OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I was
a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum
disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9.  The 4 had a
125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled it
yet. 

-Allen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher@jmlafferty.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:41 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
> 
> >> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler).
> >>
> >> Wow real pointers and character strings!
> >>
> >> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC
> >> they had a version of the PIC OS.
> >>
> >> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother
> >> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate -
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer
> >>
> >
> > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university
> environ and had access to source.  We did a few tweaks to allow better
> support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command.
> It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff.
> 
> > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick
> Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB
> setup.  Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION,
> which ran on the standard OS.  It was a really nice rapid deployment
> engine.
> 
> That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS
> database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based /
> hash indexed keys.
> 
> >  They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used
> it.  I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and
> INFORMATION ran rings around them.  The Pick data model was designed with
> standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran
> fairly fast.  I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed,
> but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain.
> 
> We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we
> migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack
> interface for Macs around then. Only trouble for me is it wouldn't save
> your sql ddl, it was the schema.
> 
> 
> >
> >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote:
> >>
> >>> PL/1, boy that brings back memories.
> >>> I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a
> >> combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code.  Really nice, Unix-like
> >> O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others.
> >> Really kind of miss it these days.
> >>> However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1.
> >> I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a
> >> little longer.  I really liked how easy it was to get done what you
> >> needed to do.  And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten
> >> better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies.
> >> Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL.
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: michel [mailto:compukat@videotron.ca]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM
> >>>> To: Tomcat Users List
> >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about
> >>>> actually
> >>>> being on a project under those conditions.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the
> >>>> best
> >>>> darned language that never managed  to get a good market share. It
> >> was
> >>>> said
> >>>> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days
> >> all
> >>>> you
> >>>> need is a crash course to be an expert!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Brian" <bbprefix-mail@yahoo.com>
> >>>> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM
> >>>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they
> >> sent
> >>>> me
> >>>> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions
> >> of
> >>>> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts.
> >>>> Then
> >>>> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for
> >> my
> >>>> time.
> >>>> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: michel [mailto:compukat@videotron.ca]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM
> >>>>> To: Tomcat Users List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't  a big 5, but
> >> had
> >>>> some
> >>>>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had
> >> me
> >>>> in
> >>>>> Denver  on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I
> >>>> could
> >>>>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on
> >>>> different
> >>>>> projects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some
> >> contacts,
> >>>> and
> >>>>> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got
> >>>> canned
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this
> >>>> nonsense.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Martin Gainty" <mgainty@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM
> >>>>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a
> >> lamberghini
> >>>> in a
> >>>>> 1000 brooks brothers suit
> >>>>>
> >>>>> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need
a
> >>>> hindi
> >>>>> translator for spanish
> >>>>>
> >>>>> how about unisys???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU
> >>>>> Martin Gainty
> >>>>> ______________________________________________
> >>>>> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>>> From: cerebrotecnologico@gmail.com
> >>>>>> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I should have copyrights on my name. LOL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-mail@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnologico@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Tomcat Users List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Esto si que sonó gracioso.
> >>>>>>> Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios,
uno de
> >>>> los
> >>>>>>> cuales
> >>>>>>> se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and
a Tomcat
> >>>> guy.
> >>>>>>>> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to
overpay one
> >>>> of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Big-5.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app
container
> >>>> while
> >>>>>>>> Websphere is an application server.
> >>>>>>>> Therefore, depending on your application you may not
be able to
> >>>>> migrate
> >>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also
an
> >>>> application
> >>>>>>> server.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Jorge
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz
> >>>>>>>> <chris@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To whom it may concern,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for
switching over
> >>>> a
> >>>> J2EE
> >>>>>>>>>> web app over from Web Sphere application server
to Tomcat and
> >>>> we
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted
production
> >>>> instance of
> >>>>>>>>>> tomcat.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't
need anyone
> >>>> to
> >>>> set
> >>>>>>>>> it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top
notch
> >>>> consulting
> >>>>> firm
> >>>>>>>>>> that could provide these services?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies
would be
> >>>> very
> >>>>>>>>> happy to take way more money than is necessary to
set up an
> >>>> instance
> >>>>>>>>> of Tomcat for you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - -chris
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