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From Gregor Schneider <>
Subject Re: Copy Apache
Date Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:16:57 GMT

just a quick one, since this becomes OT, but if you like, we can
continue this discussion via personal email.

André, if I'm not mistaken, you're quite new to the list.

I've seen lots of similar posts here, which I consider being a
complete neglet of respect to the people contributing to this list.

They always follow the same principle:

- You can sense that they've no clue about Tomcat / Apache / name-the-topic

- Their questions can easily be answered by referring to the docs

- They always have a "requirement" from a client to solve an issue

- Often, not always, you'll find the word "ASAP" within their post

- At least to me the impression occurs, that those guys consider the
list as some free-of-charge-solve-my-problems-thingy

- On top, usually they don't provide any useful information which
helps solving their problem

- And most certain, after their problem is solved, you' ll never see
them here again contributing

- I don't care about the whereabouts / wherefroms of any poster of
this list, and I'd give the same answer to anybody showing the same
attitude, wether they're Indian, Chinese, German, US, UK, even Belgian

- I'm a cosmopolitan, I'm Europena, I'm German, and I just don't care
where somebody has been born & bred nor where somebody comes from.

What I do care about is, that some freeloaders seem to take the
contribution of this list-members for granted.

And yes, I've heard it so many times from prospects:

"Well, you've offered a great solution, but I can get the same thing
cheaper if I take company xyz".
Sure, company xyz has some offshore-locations, and a year later
meeting the same "ex-prospect" again, they tell me that either

- either the project went down the drains

- budget was quadrupled


Now tell me:

If you hire a company to, say, maintain the engine of your car?
Right: You expect, that this company has employees knowing how to do this.
What's happening here is, that the "mechanic" doesn't have any clue of
your car, goes to a pub where he knows the mechanics from other
companies are hanging out and asks them get his job done - for free,
of course.

Maybe this example is a bit over the top, but I guess you've got the meaning.

Therefore, again:

- I'm a great fan of a *fair* competition

- I believe in Open Source and sharing of information (you got it:
"sharing" works only both ways!)

- Least I'm anything liek a racist - ask my friends and colleques in [

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM, André Warnier <> wrote:
> Yes, but the correct word is "ridiculous".

I'm also not joking about language-issues. Wish I had a dime for every
typo / mistake I'm making when posting here - I'd be off to SEA baking
in the sun for the rest of my life.

When I see such posts, usually I'm giving those guys a piece of
information from where they should be able to start (see my previous
answers to the OP).

However, sometimes enough is enough, and personally, after re-reading
my post, I even don't consider it as rude (apart from the
"throw-up-part") but as an open word.

Sorry if anyone is bugged by this slightly longer OT-post of mine,
however, I wanted to clarify that.


Feel free to discuss this or any other issue with me via private email.


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