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From Brian Clark <brianclar...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Optimizing Tomcat with Http11NioProtocol?
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:30:59 GMT
Glad to be of help.

First, I don't think that APR has anything to do with thread management. I think the two things
it does really well is to serve up static content and provide native SSL processing. Tomcat
6 and/or Java 6 may help with though (I would assume so, but I don't know for sure).

Second, Tomcat 6 and Java 6 will provide performance enhancements--particularly from the newer
hotspot compiler in Java 6. If using on 32-bit Windows, be sure to select the "server" version
of the JVM, and not the "client" JVM. By default, Tomcat will select the client version on
32-bit Windows. On 64-bit Windows, there is only one version available, the server version.


Also, as your original question started off with asking about the NIO
protocol, according to the benchmarking done by the authors of the
O'Reilly Tomcat book, the JIO connector is sometimes faster than the
NIO connector. I recommend getting this book and reviewing the sections
on performance tuning.

Finally, I suggest using a tool to monitor your JVM and applications over a period of time.
We use the free Hyperic HQ monitoring tool. It uses JMX to remotely monitor Java 6/Tomcat
6, and I have found it to be very valuable. There is a free and a commercial version. WE use
the free version and it works great. Check it out at http://www.hyperic.com  We use this tool
to monitor heap usage and thread usage over time, so that we can tell if we are hitting our
upper limits on either of these constraints. 

Brian




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From: nodje <nodje.co@gmail.com>
To: users@tomcat.apache.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Optimizing Tomcat with Http11NioProtocol?


Hi, thanks all for your answers.

I have jconsole in place. I can monitor Tomcat and general JVM information. 
The think is it's not easy to understand statistics.

- How much I am using of Xmx is definitely something I want to know
- how many thread are used in peak times is also something I need to know:
if it reaches 150, the max, how much further can I push it? Would
Http11NioProtocol help for this matter?
- How can I detect if it's the application that takes time to process
request or Tomcat that is at its max capacity? Number of threads and Heap
memory usages are probably two good indicators right?

More generally avout Http11NioProtocol, can it be less efficient than the
std connector? Or is it suppose to be the next generation good-for-all
connector?

We are going to update to Tomcat 6 +APR anyways. Is the APR good only for
static content? I thought it would help the thread management anyways.

Thanks Brian for confirming memory usage! That's very good to know it's
possible to use that much memory!

cheers


Brian Clark-10 wrote:
> 
> Try using jconsole.exe (it is part of the Sun JDK) to review memory and
> thread usage of your JVM. That should help you narrow down where the issue
> is. One key thing to look at with Jconsole is the heap memory used figure.
> You are setting your -Xmx, but how much of it are you actually using? Heap
> memory used will tell you if you have a memory constraint or not. Also
> look at how often you have garbage collections. You'll have more of them
> if you have a memory constraint. One more thing, be sure your min and max
> memory configurations are the same. It's more efficient that way. 
> 
> On 32-bit Windows, you should be able to use 1536MB as your -Xmx size.
> That is what we are able to use, at least using JDK 1.6.x. Upgrading to
> 64-bit Windows and a 64-bit JVM (and 64-bit Tomcat) will allow you to use
> as much RAM as you have available. We have a 64-bit Windows system with 18
> GB of RAM allocated to Tomcat/Java.
> 
> 
> Good luck,
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: nodje <nodje.co@gmail.com>
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:57:14 AM
> Subject: Optimizing Tomcat with Http11NioProtocol?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> we are still using 5.5.12 in production and our users are facing
> increasing
> delays with their requests (like way too long by now already).
> While we are not entirely sure about what's causing this (database vs Java
> application), we suppose it comes from the Java application (the database
> server never seems to be under stress).
> The CPU of the Tomcat machine doesn't seem too busy either.
> 
> Providing it comes from the Java application side (by the way, any tips on
> how to precisely identify that is more than welcome), and providing that
> the
> problems come from too many requests, would Http11NioProtocol help Tomcat
> speed up the execution? 
> It seems worth trying Http11NioProtocol before going for clustering+load
> balancing. Any advice on the matter?
> 
> Also we think that request that cannot b served in the reasonable time
> should be refused. Taking into account the described behaviour with the
> default maxThreads=150 and acceptCount =100 values, shouldn't we decrease
> the acceptCount?
> Moreover the CPU on the Tomcat machine doesn't seem too busy. Is it a sign
> that we can increase maxThreads?
> 
> Tomcat is on a Windows 32bits machine, so even though the machine has 4Gb
> of
> RAM, the MAX -Xmx size  that we can be used seems to be around 1200Mb.
> Would
> a 64bits OS automatically allows for more memory usage?
> 
> A lot of questions I know, but facing big problems like we are now, we
> want
> to try anything possible to quickly relieve the pain from using the
> application!
> 
> thanks to anyone providing advice
> -nodje
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