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From Rainer Jung <>
Subject Re: Isolating slow and fast connections using apache/modjk
Date Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:13:56 GMT
Hi Gerhardus,

On 30.12.2008 17:53, wrote:
> Hi
> We have an apache server that load balances two types of applications
> across different stacks of tomcats.
> We have a tomcat stack for requests that processes very quickly, lets
> call this stack A and a tomcat stack for slower running
> request(different type of application) named stack B.
> We limit connections on the apache to protect the underlying layers eg:
> ServerLimit     5
> ThreadLimit     10
> StartServers     5
> ThreadsPerChild       10
> MinSpareThreads       10
> MaxClients 50
> MaxSpareThreads       50
> However if stack A or B misbehave and eat up all of the available apache
> connections it can cause a denial of service for the other stack that is
> on the same apache.
> My question really is where I should be doing the isolation. I am not
> sure whether I can achieve this in modjk or whether I should rather be
> running separate apache instances for tomcat stack A and B. I considered
> using virtual hosts but I believe they would still share the overall
> amount of threads as defined above.

Yes, they will. So if you want best separation, yes you would use two 
apache instances.

Of course you could try to find a middle way between absolute separation 
and consolidation, the latter allowing to use resources of stack A for 
stack B (or vice versa) up to a certain amount.

You can't map httpd threads to URLs, and since the mod_jk connection 
pools are process local, you can't really efficiently divide the 
connections (=threads) available for requests to A and available for 
requests to B.

What's possible though is using reply_timeouts. Most of the time 
"misbehave" is getting slow or stuck.


   concurrency = throughput * response_time

you can at least partially prepare for eating up all available 
concurrency by limiting response times. Unfortunately your maximal 
concurrency of 50 is not very big, so one of the two stacks could 
quickly eat all available threads.

Until version 1.2.26 of mod_jk you had to use two separate workers for A 
and B in order to set reply timeouts to different values, starting with 
the recent 1.2.27 you can use reply timeouts per mount using mount 

> After writing this I think the question is probably more relevant on an
> apache list but because we are using modjk and tomcat I thought I would
> ask anyway.



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