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From André Warnier ...@ice-sa.com>
Subject Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers
Date Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:42:44 GMT
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
[...]
> 
> I am sorry, but do you always log to system.out in your applications?
> Maybe you should take a look at some of numerous logging projects,
> starting with
> log4j as the most prominent.
> 
> http://logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/index.html
> 

With utmost respect, Leon, but this is Off-Topic.
(and even more so is you next post)

In my original post (and I apologise if this was not clear enough), I am 
specifically trying to speak for the sysadmin / average Tomcat user, and 
appealing to experts (such as you probably), to help make it simpler for 
these people to use and configure Tomcat. Please.

I have no doubt that for experts, the logging as it is now is probably 
clear, effective, efficient, flexible and everything you would ask for.

log4j is a beautiful package, but it is a monster, requiring deep Java 
knowledge, and even so, many hours of dedicated work to dominate.
 From the look of it, Commons Logging is a similar piece of cake.

No doubt that for someone who mainly does Java programming for a living, 
it is worth the effort.
But many (the majority ?) of Tomcat users and administrators do not have 
that time, at least not for that package alone, when they simultaneously 
have to learn a little bit of many other packages.
That does not mean that they don't like Tomcat, at least not yet.

Or else, shall we say up front that Tomcat is a development tool, to be 
used exclusively by Java and Tomcat programming specialists, and not in 
production environments ?




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