Mailing-List: contact users-help@tomcat.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of mgainty@hotmail.com
 designates 65.55.111.107 as permitted sender)
Message-ID: <BLU142-W37522DAE77B5C7BEDABDECAE470@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="_24ae3bfd-cdcf-44c3-9eac-6f90c66dd632_"
From: Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com>
To: Tomcat Users List <users@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [OT obviously] Re: Some Prilim questions
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:01:07 -0400
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <48DC9AD4.8090100@pidster.com>
References: <BLU142-W15E1F8651171EA89A96E41AE450@phx.gbl>
 <C1A2CBA3B24E0643AC92ADDAF8AF0BDF153BE355CA@mshxbex01.xius.ltd>
 <BLU142-W214C42F4B4077F837D62A1AE450@phx.gbl> <48DA61DA.6020905@cornell.edu>
 <48DC1219.3070003@christopherschultz.net>
 <BLU142-W4218F41415B54B096EADA9AE470@phx.gbl> <48DC9AD4.8090100@pidster.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0

--_24ae3bfd-cdcf-44c3-9eac-6f90c66dd632_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


In other words if you have an opportunity to attack someone instead of prov=
iding an intelligent
solution then yes by all means CHANGE the question (so you'll look good and=
 the other guy looks like an idiot..) from a JDBC DataSource lookup to LDAP=
 question..


if the question is a comparison of a local  lookup vs remote lookups you wi=
ll need a J2EE server and understand Remote architectures (which TC is not)=
 and you will need to know how to setup and reference the remote object=20

so I disgress back to the question which is if I have a DB server in NY and=
 I have a TC container running in India
how do I acquire the fastest response for a DB Connection for my client ?=20

I can think of 2 options which I will discuss offline with the client
allowing chris and his/her political attack machine to continue ..

in the meanwhile  Microsoft continues to convert TC installations to .NET..
Martin=20
______________________________________________=20
Disclaimer and confidentiality note=20
Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relates to the official busin=
ess of Sender. This transmission is of a confidential nature and Sender doe=
s not endorse distribution to any party other than intended recipient. Send=
er does not necessarily endorse content contained within this transmission.=
=20


> Date: Fri=2C 26 Sep 2008 09:18:28 +0100
> From: p@pidster.com
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> Subject: [OT obviously] Re: Some Prilim questions
>=20
> Martin Gainty wrote:
> > no no no..
> > he was NOT talking about LDAP but a DB connection
> > the statement stands
> > even with a 'local TC reference' you STILL have to contact the server !
> > there exists a company which sells server services for this very reason=
 (if the op desires to know i will pass this on)
> > dont you have something/anything thats more constructive with your time=
=20
> > Dumbkopf!
>=20
> (May I Chris?  Thank you in advance.)
>=20
>=20
> So=2C Martin=2C (can I call you Al? I prefer Al - like the song)=2C I'm
> interested to know how you'll respond to this query.
>=20
>=20
> I've carefully re-read this thread from the beginning to the point where
> you responded with the following:
>=20
> "the referenced jndi lookup in the webapp context is located in India
> and the DB is in Ithaca NY the Indian JNDI lookup is considerably slower
> than 'ordinary JDBC connection' from NY"
>=20
> ... and I'm wondering whether you had some off list conversation with
> karthikn (the OP).  Because I can't really see any way you could deduce
> that the DB is in Ithaca. Or in fact that the JNDI context is in India.
> (Well=2C apart from the distinct possibility that the OP is in the Indian
> subcontinent.)
>=20
> Al=2C your answer is utterly irrelevant - the correct answers being:
>=20
>  1. A JNDI connection pool is measurably faster
>  2. Return the connection to the pool in most cases=2C subject to
>     the implementation of the driver.
>=20
>  - so I am puzzling over the word Ithaca. I suspect that it's a riddle=2C
> but I'm not making a great deal of progress=2C Al.  Can you help?
>=20
> Ithaca=2C I know - as I studied the classics for a while=2C is the home o=
f
> Odysseus.  Is this a Homerian reference I wondered?
>=20
> And yet=2C Al=2C you mention NY.
> And India!
>=20
> So I searched Google... Of course!
>=20
> The only result that mentions Ithaca NY and India in its title is:
> "Bikram's Yoga College of India - Ithaca=2C NY=2C 14850 - Citysearch"
>=20
> And there we have it=2C Al - you're a genius! 14850!
> But what is the meaning of 14850?!
>=20
> Is it www.14850.com?  Public Communications=2C Inc's website!
> We're on a public mailing list=2C this must be it!  But no... wait...
>=20
> There's another possibility=2C ISO:14850! What's this?
>=20
> "ISO 14850:2004 describes a procedure for measurements of gamma-emitting
> radionuclide activity in homogeneous objects such as unconditioned waste
> (including process waste=2C dismantling waste=2C etc.)=2C waste condition=
ed in
> various matrices (bitumen=2C hydraulic binder=2C thermosetting resins=2C
> etc.)=2C notably in the form of 100 L=2C 200 L=2C 400 L or 800 L drums=2C=
 and
> test specimens or samples=2C (vitrified waste)=2C and waste packaged in a
> container=2C notably technological waste. It also specifies the
> calibration of the gamma spectrometry chain. The gamma energies used
> generally range from 0=2C05 MeV to 3 MeV."
>=20
>=20
> Al=2C I'm disturbed by this.  India *is* a nuclear power=2C and this *is*=
 a
> public standard=2C but I think we're moving into dangerous territory here=
.
>=20
> What are you getting at I wondered?  Is there a deeper message regarding
> nuclear power for OP to take back to his people?
>=20
> A little more googling led me to Tarapur=2C where there's a nuclear waste
> disposal and storage facility that=2C yes!=2C uses *vitrification*.
>=20
> (I paused here=2C as I was thirsty and the second bottle was now empty.)
>=20
> Tarapur=2C Al=2C Tarapur.  What are you trying to tell us=2C I mused.
>=20
> Wikipedia has 5 references for places called Tarapur=2C in these states
> Maharashtra - the nuke plant=2C Gujarat & Bihar - otherwise unremarkable.
>=20
> Madhya Pradesh - is one of the best known centres for very unusual and
> attractive bandanas!  Could this be it!?
>=20
> Karthik=2C Chris=2C David=2C I nearly shouted out loud!  *BANDANAS*
> It was so obvious to me now=2C I was amazed that I hadn't seen it straigh=
t
> away!
>=20
> But then Al=2C I idly flicked the back button=2C to check the last link..=
.
> Tarapur=2C Orissa.  Three stupas (edicts)=2C put up by Emperor Asoka=2C h=
ave
> been discovered at Tarapur recently.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I was stunned Al.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> * Ashoka the Great *
> It crystallised in my mind quickly as the breadth of your vision appeared=
.
>=20
> ** Ashoka the Great **
> "He who regards everyone amiably"
>=20
> I knew Al=2C from my classical studies=2C that Ashoka The Great was a Hin=
du
> by birth but later converted to Buddhism after the battle of Kalinga.
>=20
> He subsequently declared in his edicts:
> =93There is no country=2C except among the Greeks=2C where these two grou=
ps=2C
> Brahmans and ascetics=2C are not found=2C and there is no country where
> people are not devoted to one or another religion."
>=20
> The GREEKS! ITHACA!
> This reference confirmed I had arrived in the right place!
>=20
>=20
> Your message is revealed Al=2C as a message of peace and understanding=2C
> for Ashoka is famous for his message of freedom=2C tolerance=2C and equal=
ity.
>=20
>=20
> I was worn out from my exertions=2C but gloriously sated as I collapsed
> into a drunken stupor.
>=20
>=20
> Peace=2C Al=2C Peace.
>=20
>=20
> pid
>=20
>=20
>=20
> * or Alice=2C I don't mind=2C Al.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > Martin=20
> > ______________________________________________=20
> > Disclaimer and confidentiality note=20
> > Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relates to the official b=
usiness of Sender. This transmission is of a confidential nature and Sender=
 does not endorse distribution to any party other than intended recipient. =
Sender does not necessarily endorse content contained within this transmiss=
ion.=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >> Date: Thu=2C 25 Sep 2008 18:35:05 -0400
> >> From: chris@christopherschultz.net
> >> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Some Prilim questions
> >>
> > David=2C
> >=20
> > David Smith wrote:
> >>>> I have no idea where you are going with this ... it makes no sense t=
o
> >>>> the original question.
> > Aah... there's your problem. Martin's not good with these things.
> >=20
> > On the other hand=2C /one/ part of his statement does make sense:
> >=20
> >>>> Martin Gainty wrote:
> >>>>> the referenced jndi lookup in the webapp context is located in
> >>>>> India and the DB is in Ithaca NY the Indian JNDI lookup is
> >>>>> considerably slower than 'ordinary JDBC connection' from NY
> > This is true: if your LDAP server is geographically far from your app
> > server=2C then the lookup of your JNDI object could take a long time. W=
hat
> > Martin doesn't realize is that Tomcat always stores JNDI-based
> > DataSource objects locally=2C so this situation will never happen.
> > Martin's statement is a red herring: true=2C but irrelevant.
> >=20
> > -chris
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To start a new topic=2C e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org
> To unsubscribe=2C e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
> For additional commands=2C e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
> >>
>=20
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Win=
dows Live.
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
>=20
>=20
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To start a new topic=2C e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org
> To unsubscribe=2C e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
> For additional commands=2C e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
>=20

_________________________________________________________________
See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on=
 the go.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/=

--_24ae3bfd-cdcf-44c3-9eac-6f90c66dd632_--