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From Gabe Wong <gabri...@ngasi.com>
Subject Re: Tomcat/Plesk datasource setup problems
Date Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:42:46 GMT
Thanks for clarifying. Sound like you are caught between a rock and a 
hard place.
Good luck.

Charl Gerber wrote:
> Costs - the only way I can get a private Tomcat JVM in
> South Africa, is dedicated hosting. Ie, renting a
> complete machine. Costs are about 10x as much as
> shared VM.
>
> As I said, I have a private VM at a US based account
> and it works beautifully, but in South Africa (where
> the app MUST be hosted), we do not have that option
> without very high costs.
>
>
> --- Gabe Wong <gabrielw@ngasi.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> I am not sure how a private JVM on a VPS or on a
>> regular shared OS can 
>> be more difficult than the challenges you are
>> facing with the present shared JVM. A shared JVM is
>> good for a very 
>> basic JSP/Servlet application. However by its nature
>> (shared), you will not be able to do certain
>> configurations required for 
>> more complex applications because that is only
>> possible
>> on your own private installation or instance.
>> Remember on a shared JVM, 
>> you as well as others are using the same application
>> server instance and 
>> JVM.
>> So image if everyone is able to make changes on the
>> global configuration 
>> file e.g. server.xml,etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Charl Gerber wrote:
>>     
>>> I currently DO have my own Tomcat server, but the
>>> application is now moved to South Africa (site for
>>>       
>> a
>>     
>>> business over there, makes it a lot faster for the
>>> users who will 99% be based in SA) and Tomcat
>>>       
>> hosting
>>     
>>> alone is difficult, leave alone a private JVM.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Ken Bowen <kbowen@als.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Why not move your hosting to an isp who provides
>>>>         
>> a
>>     
>>>> vps?
>>>> Then you get complete control of your own tomcat;
>>>> the whole thing looks and
>>>> feels like you have your own server, even though
>>>>         
>> you
>>     
>>>> are sharing the 
>>>> physical machine.:w
>>>>
>>>> The prices I've seen are comparable to those
>>>>         
>> where
>>     
>>>> you have to share 
>>>> your tomcat.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents...
>>>>
>>>> Ken Bowen
>>>>
>>>> Charl Gerber wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Turns out datasource configuration is not
>>>>>           
>> possible
>>     
>>>>> using Plesk as a shared tomcat server, the guys
>>>>>           
>> at
>>     
>>>>> Plesk themselves told me.
>>>>>
>>>>> That sucks. Means I have to create and manage
>>>>>           
>> the
>>     
>>>>> Datasource in my app... minor refactoring, but
>>>>>           
>> not
>>     
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> a
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> nice way of doing it. I also use hibernate and
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> could
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> only get that working by defining its own
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> connection
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> pooling. So now I have two pools :((
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Pid <p@pidster.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Charl Gerber wrote:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just moved my hosting from a provider where
>>>>>>>               
>> I
>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> private Tomcat server with complete control
>>>>>>>               
>> over
>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> a provider that uses Plesk and I share the
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>> Tomcat
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>> server with other users. The provider has no
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Tomcat
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> knowledge in house and the Tomcat service is
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> used, so they couldn't help me with this
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>> problem.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> which version of tomcat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I want to create a jdbc datasource for my
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> If we manually create it in server.xml, the
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> provider
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> claims that the changes are overwritten and
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> every time someone uploads a new .war file.
>>>>>>>               
>> (Is
>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> true?) 
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> AFAIK, server.xml is not altered by war file
>>>>>> deployments.
>>>>>> Tomcat would need to be restarted in order that
>>>>>> those alterations to
>>>>>> server.xml are evaluated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also do not want to define the datasource as
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> eg a global resource, as it would mean the
>>>>>>>               
>> other
>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> users
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> of the tomcat server can get access to my
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> database.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I tried to configure the datasource in the
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> context.xml
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> of my application and put it in my .war file.
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>> This
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>>> works fine on my development server, but when
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> to the Tomcat server with Plesk, a server.xml
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> entry
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> for my application is created without the
>>>>>>>               
> === message truncated ===
>
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-- 
Regards

Gabe Wong
Private JVM JAVA Hosting Automation
http://www.ngasi.com


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