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From "Johnny Kewl" <>
Subject Re: Tomcat Inner Gold Mine
Date Sun, 13 May 2007 17:26:00 GMT
Thanks but no... just a reoccuring urge I get to expose more of tomcats 
inherent functionality... but then it could be as Christopher Schultz 
mentioned because I'm still on 5.5.23... and Tomcat 6 now exposes the inner 

Its just stuff like, you need to hash something and MD5 is in tomcat 
already, but you got to find another lib... MD5 is probably never going to 

I'm thinking there could be utilities like this.... conceptual..

import Tomcat.XML2Bean.*
XML2Bean xb = new XML2Bean(xmlFile);
String param = xb.getParameter("MyParameterInMyXMLFile");

etc etc..... what I call the missing "inner gold mine".

I'm not suggesting that one can get at the same instance of a library that 
tomcat is actually running on.... just exposing the functionality that 
tomcat works on.
If Tomcat parses and can check XML files... the user gets used of that 
architecture and wants to use it on any xml file.

Thing is.... I tend to agree with Christopher Schultz... one of the 
refreshing things about Tomcat as a container is its simplicity... one 
doesnt go... Spring is nice but I only got one life time... the learning 
curve is reasonable... but maybe exposing a high leverage technology that 
tomcat uses anyway... as a utility... would make it more attractive. Things 
like URLEncoding, Hashing, Base64 XML2Beans etc etc.
That stuff consumes an enormous amount of a new users time, learning about, 
searching for and finally implementing something thats actually there 

Anyway I'm ambivalent on this.... no strong feeling... just an urge I get 
everytime I'm doing something that I know tomcat must has in its gut.... 
like tomcat,
I know you got an 8 cylinder engine... but i can only see 6 cylinders 
running... feeling.

Maybe I'm starting cross over from a user to having much more of an interest 
in tomcats internals, maybe coz I use tomcat for far more than it was ever 
designed for... and maybe its that I can percieve a threat... someone is 
going to take tomcat and make "tomcat advanced"... but then thats how I 
think half these other frameworks where born anyway.... anyway dont worry 
about it... just a feeling I have... probably getting paternal about my 
favorite technology... ha ha.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Gainty" <>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tomcat Inner Gold Mine

> Good Morning-
> I *think* what you're speaking of is a comprehensive Adaptive Security 
> Algorithm solution.
> A HW/DW solution from Cisco (Pix) is illustrated here
> More specifically RIPv2 implementations with coverage of text MD5 auth and 
> keyed MD5 auth
> Is this the scenario you envision implementing?

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