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From mich...@trollope.org
Subject Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap
Date Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:34:52 GMT
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:06:43PM +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> On 12/5/06, Christopher Schultz <chris@christopherschultz.net> wrote:

> >Apparently, very few responders realized what you were asking.

> >Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo
> >specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager
> >which is called portage.

> Oh, I think most of us understood that. However what most of us do not
> understand, is why he's wishing to use the gentoo packages, despite
> downloading it from source is proven to solve 90% of configuration and
> dependency problems :-)

Well, it seems quite understandable to me.  Installing from source in
a controlled-package environment like gentoo has side effects.  One
is, you just f'ed up your system security controls.  Another is, you
no longer have a clean, easily identifiable set of installed
software.  When I first started using linux, lo these many years ago,
I kept a list of software versions and updates on index cards -- it
was the only way I could keep track of what I had updated and when.
"Configure, make && make install" has its charms, but as as method of
maintaining an entire system, it is decidedly not best.  And, anybody
who has used linux for any length of time has been through the
"dependency hell" of recursively installing and updating libraries in
order to get some "needed" software to compile.

I used gentoo for a while a couple of years ago.  It has a very nice
package management system.  It's extremely flexible from a security
standpoint and allows you to build a good, secure system.  But, as
Enrico is finding out, it is not best for a development machine.  You
can't depend on others to update the packages on your timetable.  And
creating a gentoo package is a nontrivial pursuit.

That is why I am a Slackware user more or less continuously for nearly
10 years.  Heh, I just can't break that "configure, make && make
install" habit.  Worse than cigarettes.

Thanks.

mp

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Michael Powe		michael@trollope.org		Naugatuck CT USA
"No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that
which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the
civil authority." -- Thomas Jefferson to New London Methodists,
1809. ME 16:332

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