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From Daniel_Sa...@spe.sony.com
Subject RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
Date Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:40:01 GMT
I appreciate your feedback and I do respect his input but he and the other 
gentlemen should not attack anybody's technical capability if
they are really since in helping. That's what this forum is for. They 
don't know what I know and how much I know.


Daniel Salud
(310)665-6583




Justin Jaynes <justinjaynes@yahoo.com>
10/01/2004 01:01 PM
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Daniel,

You really SHOULD care.  I just started a web hosting
business on the Linux platform using Tomcat.  I had no
prior experience using the software and I have read as
much as I can in books, but they are always out of
date, even when new.  Press time is always too long. 
Open source just keeps getting better so much faster. 
So an open community forum with the WRITERS of the
software is a MODERN MIRACLE.  This forum, and Yoav,
have been invaluble resources to me.  No propiretary
software provider would EVER be willing to provide
such support.  They aren't smart enough and they don't
care enough.

So if you want, stick with your proprietary solutions
and your "Technical Support Staff" (untrained
teenagers and non-english speakers reading general
answers to your not-so-general questions).  But don't
disreguard the ADVICE my friend Yoav gave you on HOW
TO USE THE RESOURSE he has offered to you FREE OF
CHARGE as a common human courtesy.  Listen to him.  He
knows how to help you help yourself.

Justin Jaynes

--- Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com wrote:

> I really don't care what your personal views are.  I
> am not a decision 
> maker here. We use apache/tomcat for non-mission
> critical app.
> Actually we don't have a choice because the vendor
> who wrote the code 
> bundled everything with all those open source stuff.
> 
> Why don't we make this forum simple.  If you are
> willing help,  just focus 
> on helping to address specific technical issues and
> not
> express your personal opinions about things that are
> not relevant like 
> attacking somebody's technical know-how, etc.(not
> you but one of those who 
> reply to my posting). Like KISS...keep it simple and
> straight to the 
> point.
> 
> I didn't post the log because I am 99.99 sure that
> will only see a clean 
> startup message and nothing else.  We actually
> replicated the issue and 
> killing a tomcat PID, sometimes does not release the
> port it is listening 
> to/or using. I killed the tomcat PID, clear port
> 8080 and make sure 
> nothing else is using it or holding it and restarted
> tomcat with my rc2.d 
> script that calls catalina.sh and it solved my
> issue. I got that idea from 
> one of the good replies I got for this particular
> issue.
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> 
> Daniel Salud
> (310)665-6583
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com>
> 10/01/2004 11:49 AM
> Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
> 
> 
>         To:     "Tomcat Users List"
> <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Personally, I'd take this support list over any
> commercial support
> organization, hands down.  But that's just my
> personal experience as
> someone who's had to make that decision (commercial
> versus open-source,
> paid support versus community support, dedicated
> support staff versus
> outsourced, etc.), and live with the consequences,
> many times over the
> years, and YMMV ;)
> 
> In this specific case, no commercial support
> organization would be able
> to help you more given the negligible information
> content you posted.
> Instead, you'd be dragged along until you posted
> your logs and/or
> provided steps to reproduce the problem, and be
> charged according to
> your support agreement, so at least you'll have the
> satisfaction of
> knowing your $$$ spent on support aren't being
> completely wasted, only
> mostly wasted.
> 
> If the problem happens again, and you provide more
> details, the
> probability of you getting concrete help is higher
> than with the scant
> details provided in your original post.
> 
> Yoav Shapira
> Millennium Research Informatics
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com
> [mailto:Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com]
> >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:01 PM
> >To: Tomcat Users List
> >Subject: RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
> >
> >I know all those. I already have our web engineer
> looked at it and he
> >found nothing from the log so I wouldn't post the
> log.
> >I guess between you and my web engineer, I will
> trust his judgement.
> >
> >I am hoping that somebody has seen something like
> this before and would
> >share what they did. Have you?
> >That's one of the issues with open source as you
> already know. No
> support
> >so sometimes you have to rely on
> >user forums for open source stuff.
> >
> >Thanks anyway.
> >
> >Daniel Salud
> >(310)665-6583
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Gerardo Juarez <gerardo@computo-industrial.com.mx>
> >10/01/2004 09:48 AM
> >Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
> >
> >
> >        To:     Tomcat Users List
> <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> >        cc:
> >        Subject:        RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
> >
> >
> >
> >I think a UNIX admin should know how hard it is to
> debug a problem when
> it
> >is not accompanied by any other information. A UNIX
> admin should also
> know
> >
> >that novice users normally don't see anything
> abnormal in the logs.
> They
> >have to list the output of a program for you to
> notice something.
> Ninety
> >percent of the time the assertion 'the log says
> nothing' is false. UNIX
> >admins know that.
> >
> >Please post the log and any information that may
> give us more context.
> >
> >Gerardo
> >
> >On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com wrote:
> >
> >> First of all, let me tell you that I am not a big
> fan of tomcat and
> >second
> >> if you just want to annoy me, don't even reply to
> my question.
> >> Be professional man. I am soliciting for clue on
> where else to look.
> I
> >am
> >> a Unix admin and not a an app admin. I also
> managed Weblogic and it's
> a
> >> lot
> >> easier for me to debug.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Daniel Salud
> >> (310)665-6583
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com>
> >> 10/01/2004 08:35 AM
> >> Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
> >>
> >>
> >>         To:     "Tomcat Users List"
> <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>         cc:
> >>         Subject:        RE: Tomcat Question -
> HELP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> So something went wrong, you looked at the logs
> and didn't see
> anything
> >> to help you debug the problem, restarted the
> server, now it's all
> fine,
> >> and you expect someone else to have a clue as to
> what went wrong?
> Come
> >> on ;)  Post the log if still have it, otherwise
> have a good weekend
> ;)
> >>
> >> Yoav Shapira
> >> Millennium Research Informatics
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com
> [mailto:Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com]
> >> >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:34 AM
> >> >To: Tomcat Users List
> >> >Subject: Re: Tomcat Question - HELP
> >> >
> >> >anybody ?
> >> >
> >> >Daniel Salud
> >> >(310)665-6583
> >> >----- Forwarded by Daniel Salud/LA/SPE on
> 10/01/2004 08:32 AM -----
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
> >> >09/30/2004 07:15 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >        To:     Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com
> >> >        cc:
> >> >        Subject:        Re: Tomcat Question -
> HELP
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Quoting Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com
> (Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com):
> >> >
> >> >> I have a tomcat question:
> >> >>
> >> >> I killed the tomcat PID and restarted it using
> my start up script
> on
> >> >> /etc/rc2.d (Unix - Sun). I saw a new PID after
> I restarted it but
> it
> >> >won't
> >> >> open the
> >> >> jsp page and I cannot to my servlets. I was
> getting Internal
> Server
> >> >error.
> >> >> It appears that Tomcat did not actually
> start.I looked at the
> >> Catalina
> >> >out
> >> >> logs
> >> >> but nothing much there to tell what was the
> issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have to reboot the server to clear tomcat
> and it started just
> fine
> >> >after
> >> >> reboot.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any ideas what cause it not to restart ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Daniel Salud
> >> >> (310)665-6583
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for your mail about "How to Ask Questions
> the Smart Way".
> >> >As a reminder, that essay suggests (generic)
> ways to ensure
> >> >you're asking technical questions in the right
> way, in the right
> place.
> >> >
> >> >People write back for one of two _very_
> different reasons:
> >> >
> >> >o  Good reason:  Sending feedback/suggestions to
> help improve the
> >> essay.
> >> >o  VERY BAD reason:  Asking essay co-author Rick
> Moen for technical
> >> help.
> >> >
> >> >Guess what?  99% of such mails are for the VERY
> BAD type of reason.
> >> >If you're about to do that, STOP.  Do something
> else.  Anything.
> >> >Don't act like a moron:  Rick Moen is _not_ your
> personal, private
> >> >helpdesk.
> >> >
> >> >The other 1% of you who want to discuss ways to
> improve "How to Ask
> >> >Questions
> >> >the Smart Way", thank you!  Please reach Rick at
> "rick@linuxmafia.com".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This is an automated e-mail.  (Your mail has not
> reached a human.)
> >> >
> >> >Thanks! Mr. Autoresponder
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> >>
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