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From Daniel_Sa...@spe.sony.com
Subject RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
Date Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:09:22 GMT
I really don't care what your personal views are.  I am not a decision 
maker here. We use apache/tomcat for non-mission critical app.
Actually we don't have a choice because the vendor who wrote the code 
bundled everything with all those open source stuff.

Why don't we make this forum simple.  If you are willing help,  just focus 
on helping to address specific technical issues and not
express your personal opinions about things that are not relevant like 
attacking somebody's technical know-how, etc.(not you but one of those who 
reply to my posting). Like KISS...keep it simple and straight to the 
point.

I didn't post the log because I am 99.99 sure that will only see a clean 
startup message and nothing else.  We actually replicated the issue and 
killing a tomcat PID, sometimes does not release the port it is listening 
to/or using. I killed the tomcat PID, clear port 8080 and make sure 
nothing else is using it or holding it and restarted tomcat with my rc2.d 
script that calls catalina.sh and it solved my issue. I got that idea from 
one of the good replies I got for this particular issue.

My 2 cents.


Daniel Salud
(310)665-6583




"Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com>
10/01/2004 11:49 AM
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Hi,
Personally, I'd take this support list over any commercial support
organization, hands down.  But that's just my personal experience as
someone who's had to make that decision (commercial versus open-source,
paid support versus community support, dedicated support staff versus
outsourced, etc.), and live with the consequences, many times over the
years, and YMMV ;)

In this specific case, no commercial support organization would be able
to help you more given the negligible information content you posted.
Instead, you'd be dragged along until you posted your logs and/or
provided steps to reproduce the problem, and be charged according to
your support agreement, so at least you'll have the satisfaction of
knowing your $$$ spent on support aren't being completely wasted, only
mostly wasted.

If the problem happens again, and you provide more details, the
probability of you getting concrete help is higher than with the scant
details provided in your original post.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com [mailto:Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:01 PM
>To: Tomcat Users List
>Subject: RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
>
>I know all those. I already have our web engineer looked at it and he
>found nothing from the log so I wouldn't post the log.
>I guess between you and my web engineer, I will trust his judgement.
>
>I am hoping that somebody has seen something like this before and would
>share what they did. Have you?
>That's one of the issues with open source as you already know. No
support
>so sometimes you have to rely on
>user forums for open source stuff.
>
>Thanks anyway.
>
>Daniel Salud
>(310)665-6583
>
>
>
>
>Gerardo Juarez <gerardo@computo-industrial.com.mx>
>10/01/2004 09:48 AM
>Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
>
>
>        To:     Tomcat Users List <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>        cc:
>        Subject:        RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
>
>
>
>I think a UNIX admin should know how hard it is to debug a problem when
it
>is not accompanied by any other information. A UNIX admin should also
know
>
>that novice users normally don't see anything abnormal in the logs.
They
>have to list the output of a program for you to notice something.
Ninety
>percent of the time the assertion 'the log says nothing' is false. UNIX
>admins know that.
>
>Please post the log and any information that may give us more context.
>
>Gerardo
>
>On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com wrote:
>
>> First of all, let me tell you that I am not a big fan of tomcat and
>second
>> if you just want to annoy me, don't even reply to my question.
>> Be professional man. I am soliciting for clue on where else to look.
I
>am
>> a Unix admin and not a an app admin. I also managed Weblogic and it's
a
>> lot
>> easier for me to debug.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Daniel Salud
>> (310)665-6583
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com>
>> 10/01/2004 08:35 AM
>> Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
>>
>>
>>         To:     "Tomcat Users List" <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>>         cc:
>>         Subject:        RE: Tomcat Question - HELP
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> So something went wrong, you looked at the logs and didn't see
anything
>> to help you debug the problem, restarted the server, now it's all
fine,
>> and you expect someone else to have a clue as to what went wrong?
Come
>> on ;)  Post the log if still have it, otherwise have a good weekend
;)
>>
>> Yoav Shapira
>> Millennium Research Informatics
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com [mailto:Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com]
>> >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:34 AM
>> >To: Tomcat Users List
>> >Subject: Re: Tomcat Question - HELP
>> >
>> >anybody ?
>> >
>> >Daniel Salud
>> >(310)665-6583
>> >----- Forwarded by Daniel Salud/LA/SPE on 10/01/2004 08:32 AM -----
>> >
>> >
>> >Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
>> >09/30/2004 07:15 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >        To:     Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com
>> >        cc:
>> >        Subject:        Re: Tomcat Question - HELP
>> >
>> >
>> >Quoting Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com (Daniel_Salud@spe.sony.com):
>> >
>> >> I have a tomcat question:
>> >>
>> >> I killed the tomcat PID and restarted it using my start up script
on
>> >> /etc/rc2.d (Unix - Sun). I saw a new PID after I restarted it but
it
>> >won't
>> >> open the
>> >> jsp page and I cannot to my servlets. I was getting Internal
Server
>> >error.
>> >> It appears that Tomcat did not actually start.I looked at the
>> Catalina
>> >out
>> >> logs
>> >> but nothing much there to tell what was the issue.
>> >>
>> >> I have to reboot the server to clear tomcat and it started just
fine
>> >after
>> >> reboot.
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas what cause it not to restart ?
>> >>
>> >> Daniel Salud
>> >> (310)665-6583
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks for your mail about "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way".
>> >As a reminder, that essay suggests (generic) ways to ensure
>> >you're asking technical questions in the right way, in the right
place.
>> >
>> >People write back for one of two _very_ different reasons:
>> >
>> >o  Good reason:  Sending feedback/suggestions to help improve the
>> essay.
>> >o  VERY BAD reason:  Asking essay co-author Rick Moen for technical
>> help.
>> >
>> >Guess what?  99% of such mails are for the VERY BAD type of reason.
>> >If you're about to do that, STOP.  Do something else.  Anything.
>> >Don't act like a moron:  Rick Moen is _not_ your personal, private
>> >helpdesk.
>> >
>> >The other 1% of you who want to discuss ways to improve "How to Ask
>> >Questions
>> >the Smart Way", thank you!  Please reach Rick at
"rick@linuxmafia.com".
>> >
>> >
>> >This is an automated e-mail.  (Your mail has not reached a human.)
>> >
>> >Thanks! Mr. Autoresponder
>>
>>
>>
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