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From V D <>
Subject [OT] Re: Have you implemented a Java server faces site?
Date Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:05:05 GMT

Thank you for the reply.  I happened to read that article too.  I also 
have the book the guy wrote.  I'll look into the rendering part using 
XML.  It would be better if it's supported out of the box though.  
Hopefully the next version will address this.  I did write a simple 
struts app before, and JSP seems to be better architecturally, and 
simpler to use though.  The problem I have with it is that you can not 
programmatically display the view easily.  What I mean is that in the 
JSP page, there is not much way to put your code there.  For example, 
one of my requirement is that depending on a situation, 1 or more tables 
must be shown.  You can see from the article that mixing tag lib and JSF 
is prohibited in a loop.  Also, in a purist sense, data preparation for 
the display should also stay in the JSP file, not the back bean.  This 
means it has to support programming in there.  I can just create another 
class/bean to do this, but it becomes so many files just do something, 
and isn't JSP supposed to be the view part?  I think it's perfectly ok 
to put any type of java programming in the view as long as that code 
only is used for the view, not application logic.  Anyway, I will 
investigate if I can some how satisfy all my requirements with this 
technology.  I was very commited to JSF, until I read the first link you 
sent me.  The fact that it's very recent (august 10) causes me unease 
with this technology.  Since it seems that you did implemented a full 
app successfully, if you don't mind, could you share your experience and 
how did your project go?  Thanks.

Hiroshi Iwatani wrote:

> Oh yes. But ...
> V D wrote:
>> Thank you very much for the link.  I also did some work on JSF too, 
>> and see its strength and weakness.  Unfortunately, the guy doing the 
>> evaluation in the link below did not dig deep enough or use any GUI IDE 
> See links linked from the theserverside page, that is, from the readers
> responses. Especially, Geary's blog page. The orgiginator guy is rather
> light and superficial one.
>> such as the Java Creator or IBM's tool.  Some of his points are valid 
>> though.  I see other problems myself.  One of them is the ability to 
>> create customized view, component, or renderer.  They all involves 
>> java objects (which is not easily changable), and very elaborate.  To 
>> have a render, you have to have a tag file, a tag class, a 
>> configuration, and the renderer class. Unbelievable!
> Tags are only for JSP presentation. You could use a better presentation
> technology if you want. See this article:
> Personally, I feel JSF has saved my life in the Web development sea.
> It's simple, easy to use, and more effective than Struts et al.
>> Hiroshi Iwatani wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>> See
>>> V D wrote:
>>>> If so, what is your experience?  Is it mature enough for a serious 
>>>> web programming?
>>>> Thanks.
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