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From "Laurence Arabia" <ufo_mecha...@hotmail.com>
Subject RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happenWOT
Date Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:44:09 GMT


I find your assertion that Jesus was a Software Developer a little 
challenging. Not to draw conclusions on those sources. I only suggest there 
is a lack of proof at my disposal.

"gcj"  <-->  "jcg" Yes I did get it.

>From: Kannan Sundararajan <ksundararajan@marketaxess.com>
>Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: 'Tomcat Users List' <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto 
>ever happen
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:56 -0400
>
>Is it? Hope you don't lie. Do you?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:ivj@comcast.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:28 PM
>To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>worstthingsto ever happen
>
>
>Jesus agrees with me.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Laurence Arabia [mailto:ufo_mechanic@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:08 AM
> > To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the 
>worstthingsto
> > ever happen
> >
> >
> > Exactly I agree when you are dealing with a team of 30+ delvelopers you
> > either hold reviews every month and tie everyone down to a structure 
>that
> > evolves causing confusion and rewrites or the whole lot goes to pot. 
>Which
> > is fine if you work for a finance house with buckets of money but where
> > productivity is more important than process C++ would not be my choice.
> > Degres of abstraction are more difficult to attain.  I would like to 
>hear
> > the opinion of a hardcore C++ programmer. Cause I would like to know the
> > faults in this argument as I am sure there is. The performance question 
>I
> > think is almost irrelvant. If you want performance write C/Assembler in 
>a
> > kernel module perferably but ultimately its comes back to a some
> > marshalling
> > code whose structure has to be easily evolved and adapted its nature is
> > almost disposable as protocols and business rules change.
> >
> > Whats the opinion on gcj ?
> >
> >
> > >From: "SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI)" <ds7867@sbc.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >To: "Tomcat Users List" <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> > worstthingsto
> > >ever happen Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:22:25 -0500
> > >
> > >If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
> > >programming language for 4 years now?  As was recognized long ago,
> > >performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little when you 
>can't
> > >get your product out the door because you are still trying to chase 
>down
> > >memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.  As somebody else
> > >said, C++ programmers will understand this.
> > >
> > >Daniel
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:eric.vergnaud@jlynx.com]
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
> > >To: Tomcat Users List
> > >Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> > worstthingsto
> > >ever happen
> > >
> > >
> > >le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ю sh-solutions@gmx.net a Иcrit :
> > >
> > > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well written) are 
>at
> > >least
> > > > half as fast as c applications (also well written).
> > >
> > >Which means that when your java app is in competition with a native 
>app,
> > >youve lost the market.
> > >
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