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From "Sternbergh, Cornell" <>
Subject RE: System suggestions? Eclipse / Tomcat / JBoss
Date Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:25:12 GMT

IBM also provides, or did, single user versions of Websphere, free, for
developer use, good for unit testing.  But the production, and system
test, servers would have to run full price software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael DiChiappari [] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 09:18
Subject: RE: System suggestions? Eclipse / Tomcat / JBoss

It sounds like you are on the right track.  If you are doing EJBs, then
can use JBoss.  Tomcat is just a servlet container.  You may also want
consider (when its ready) Apache/Jakarta's J2EE app server.  I think it
called Geronimo.

JBoss comes in different flavors.  We have used the one with Tomcat
in (to handle servlets).    Eventually we will want to hook this up to

We have NOT had much success in getting Tomcat to work well with Apache.
would advice against going down that path (especially if you are on 
Linux).  Someday we will probably try to get JBoss to work with Apache
I dread the day.  I am hoping the JBoss documentation and support people

will be helpful.  Unfortunately, the Jakarta Tomcat group is one of the 
worst open source efforts I have seen.  My guess is that the do-ocracy
turned into a political mess there, with the most ineffective people 
providing the interface to the (developer) public.

There are lots of commercial alternatives to JBoss.  For developer 
purposes, you can download and utilize just about any J2EE app server
free.  The following companies provide developer versions of their app 
servers: BEA (Weblogic), Macromedia (JRun), and Oracle (iAS).  The 
appealing thing about using one of these, is that you can say that you
experience on them.  Since they seem to be used by larger, more
companies, that may translate into some dollars for you when seeking a
job (unless JBoss can break into these markets).

If you are doing EJBs, then you'll need more than Eclipse.  We have used

the MyEclipse plugin and it is very nice.  It is a commercial product
we licensed it for something like $29 per user (about 1/100th the cost
JBuilder!).  It includes all the stuff (XDoclet, etc...) for deploying a

bean (setting up the deplopyment descriptors) and doing servlets/JSPs.
have heard good things about another J2EE pluging called Lomboz.  You
want to check that out.

The thing I like about Eclipse is that it hides a lot of Java
from you.  Thinks like Ant and XDoclet are a feat to learn on their 
own.  However, the development environment hides most of these items
from you.

Good luck.

>Hi everybody
>Short version:
>Anybody have suggestions for:
>HTTP Server
>App Server (with EJB support)
>Long version:
>At work we use IBM Visual Age for Java (VAJ), Domino as an HTTP server
>(don't ask) and Websphere as an application server.
>We've been investigating the possibility of switching Eclipse for VAJ
>instead of upgrading to the next version.  We imported our site into
>Eclipse and it compiled well, we deployed it to a test Domino/Websphere
>I've been investigating setting up a variation at home, an IDE, HTTP
>server, App server, that could be used for our
>developing/maintaining/running our site, for the purpose of learning
>more and perhaps coming up with better/cheaper alternatives to VAJ /
>Websphere.  Beginning with Apache, I discovered Tomcat as an app server
>(as Apache is only an HTTP server).  But I understand that Tomcat
>doesn't do EJB's and I've encountered JBoss.
>I'm looking for Open Source software, it's cheap.  But also, software
>that's well established in the community, so that it's not likely to
>fade away.
>Anybody have suggestions for nice, robust, not too difficult, etc.

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