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From "jsp" <>
Date Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:31:47 GMT
Wow, I thought the idea was to help people out that just don’t get it?
Not tell someone READ THE FRIGIN MANUAL. What kind of crap is that? Some
people don’t just GET the obvious. You don’t have time to answer a dumb
question ?????????????? SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TIME TO WHINE AND CRY FOR 8


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosdi bin Kasim [] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:54 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: MY ATTITUDE

> RTFM means "Read the friggin' manual".  It is used in almost any place

My oh my..., I thought it means "Read The Fine Manual"......., man I was

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Price" <>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: MY ATTITUDE

> Hi Steve,
> RTFM means "Read the friggin' manual".  It is used in almost any place
> where a person is asking a question when they could have read a
> instead.  The idea is that nobody has extra time sitting around to
> re-explaining things that have been explained perfectly well
> In your case, I think what you ought to read is the manual of mailing
> list etiquette.  At first I thought you were a joker or someone who
> found it amusing to post the same questions again and again with
> exclamation points (!!!!) and colloquialisms such as "Capiche".  I
> thought you were being rude, but I think now I realize that you just
> don't know any better.
> You are getting fewer answers every day because more and more people
> have set up their email clients to filter out your posts.  It has
> tiresome to read the same questions again and again, when others have
> pointed you to perfectly fine tutorials explaining how to go about it.
> If these tutorials are not a good enough explanation, then perhaps you
> ought to step down a notch to something more basic.
> Configuring Tomcat and writing JSP/servlet webapps is not easy, and
> requires that you understand the fundamentals of the Java language.
> There are dozens of free books with thousands of pages dedicated to
> topic, a good one is "Thinking in Java" at .
> specialized mailing list like this one is dedicated to answering
> questions and discussing issues surrounding Tomcat, not explaining the
> syntax of a switch statement.  Don't take that as an insult, I'm just
> explaining how it is.  Sun offers an excellent forum for programmers
> are new to Java at .
> But the problem at hand isn't even really whether or not this is the
> appropriate mailing list for you.  You are not getting much help
> you simply do not know the protocol for asking questions on a mailing
> list.  It is not appropriate to discuss anything but Tomcat, or
> Tomcat-related issues on this list.  Not switch statements.  Not
> personal issues regarding your social development.  People will
> you if you make a mistake in this regard once in a while.  But this
> become a daily affair.
> I am going to give you one last hyperlink, and I really hope that you
> click it and read the web page it takes you to.  Others have already
> given you this, and I can only assume that you haven't found time to
> read it yet.  But please read this document.  It will take you all of
> fifteen minutes.  If you don't, or if you read it but choose not to
> listen, then no one on any mailing list is going to help you, as more
> and more people tune you out with email filters.
> The document is called "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way", and is
> available at .  It is
> "friggin' manual" for all mailing lists.  RTFM.
> Erik
> Steve Burrus wrote:
> > Matthew, please forgive my *dumb naivety*, but what does RTFM
what does it stand for exactly anyway? I hope that this doesn't sound
some kind of a "rant" [again], but it seems like for a long time now
in this newsgroup have "ragging" on me! Capiche?!
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