Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-tomcat-user-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 16135 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from exchange.sun.com (192.18.33.10) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10516 invoked by uid 97); 9 Jan 2003 21:44:24 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 10489 invoked by uid 97); 9 Jan 2003 21:44:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Tomcat Users List" Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 10456 invoked by uid 98); 9 Jan 2003 21:44:21 -0000 X-Antivirus: nagoya (v4218 created Aug 14 2002) From: "neal" To: "Tomcat Users List" Subject: RE: RewriteRules and Standalone Tomcat Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:42:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <83F0258A9996D311B14200A0C98F173602F22BC1@aas-internet.aas.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N What you're talking about is repeat business .. I'm talking about getting the introductions in the first place. Well, aside from the discussion of the importance of SEs in a business model, I think most would agree it is a commonly used tool - independent of ideals. I'm going to look more into Apache and I will also take a look at the patch that apparently exists for working around the 302 that someone else wrote. Thanks for the tips. As for the future of Tomcat in this regard, I personally would love to see the 302 thing go away. It will be interesting to see which direction is taken. Thanks. Neal -----Original Message----- From: Turner, John [mailto:JTurner@AAS.com] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:10 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: [OFF-TOPIC] RE: RewriteRules and Standalone Tomcat I can only comment on my own experience. I'm assuming that the application wants to earn revenue, and not do so from advertising (ad-only models rarely work). That means sales. I've been purchasing on the net since 1996. Unless the site has a product that no one else on earth and no other site has, the true differentiator (and driver) of success in the long term will be dollar value, user experience, and customer support, not search engine placement. In that scenario, good "placement" on sites like epinions.com and resellerratings.com, etc. from regular customers is much more valuable. Let's face it, just about any product being sold nowadays, including software, is a commodity item. If it's a high ticket item, then chances are a face-to-face (or several) will be required to get a check, which makes search engine placement just about irrelevant, as a good salesperson working on 100% commission (the good ones always work on 100% commission) will have no problem developing their own leads. If it were me, and I was designing a business model, the last place I would be spending time and resources would be search engine placement, or gyrating an application to enhance search engine placement. ;) But that's me. The search engine placement lists and groups are very similar to the "get more traffic" lists and groups. I've lurked on both over the years, and I could never get past the idea that in just about every case, it's pretty much just endless discussions about churn. Generic traffic is just the same set of eyeballs over and over, and the traffic brokers you run into will NEVER back up their claims with sales conversion numbers, because they know full well that there is no relationship between the number of people visiting a site and the total amount of sales. They'll claim "10,000 unique visitors to your site this week guaranteed!!" but that has no bearing whatsoever on sales. I'd rather focus on making my customers stunned by the value and good customer service I provide. I'll get lots more sales that way over time. John > -----Original Message----- > From: neal [mailto:nealcabage@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:26 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: [OFF-TOPIC] RE: RewriteRules and Standalone Tomcat > > > Oh C'mon! How?!?!?! Telepathy? ;-) I know that there are > other means > such as word of mouth and as Craig said there's probably not > a way to verify > these numbers anyway ... besides I'm just quoting what I > read. But whether > you agree with the 80% number or not I would think surely the > outrageous > fees charged by competent SEOs is proof enough of their > significance. On > the Google lists I participate in, its commonly acknowledged > that getting > dropped from Google can break the back of many internet businesses. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Turner, John [mailto:JTurner@AAS.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:17 AM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: [OFF-TOPIC] RE: RewriteRules and Standalone Tomcat > > > > If the site has real value, the customers will find it all by > themselves. > > John > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: