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From Reynir Hübner <rey...@hugsmidjan.is>
Subject RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
Date Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:07:11 GMT
According to my counting this is comment Number 75 on a thread that does not solve any problems.
I am thinking about to unsubscribe to the list. Please stop, this is enough.

Bye
 - reynir@hugsmidjan.is


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Turner, John [mailto:JTurner@AAS.com] 
> Sent: 10. desember 2002 14:06
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
> 
> 
> 
> Something you've forgotten:  you might be able to pay $1000 
> and get JRUN, but could you ever, ever in your wildest dreams 
> or demands, talk directly with the person who not only wrote 
> the exact code you're using, but is responsible for setting 
> the standard that the code is based on if you did? Nope.
> 
> But here, on this list, you can get support from the people 
> who not only write Tomcat itself, but are also involved in 
> setting the standard itself. Applications like Websphere, 
> etc. are based on a reference implementation (ie, Tomcat).  
> Tomcat isn't something someone is building in their garage, 
> and neither are the other Jakarta projects.  So, you could 
> spend $60K (and
> more) for Websphere from IBM, and get a nice set of 
> documentation with it, or you could pay nothing and get not 
> only the software, but the attention of the guy who wrote the 
> software and who designed the architecture that a product 
> like Websphere is not only based on, but MUST support.  You 
> can't pay for that level of support from any commercial 
> software company...they don't even provide it, and if they 
> did, it would cost you tens of thousands of dollars.
> 
> Seems obvious to me which option is the best option, but I 
> guess it's possible that I live in some sort of alternate 
> universe and that the tomcat-user list is the only portal 
> between my alternate universe and yours. LOL
> 
> John
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:mdichiappari@domanisoft.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:37 PM
> > To: Tomcat Users List
> > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
> > 
> > 
> > Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
> > developer).  I simply chimed in when someone else expressed 
> > dissatisfaction with this list.  I have been disappointed and 
> > frustrated by the **** that is called documentation.  I stopped 
> > trying to get tomcat to work properly over a year ago.  Recently I 
> > looked into it again, and noticed little to no improvement.
> > 
> > Note that my background is technical, with over twenty years of
> > building commercial quality software.  I don't believe in a lot of 
> > pie-in-the-sky ideals in terms of software development.  I rate 
> > software on three important criteria: does it do what it is 
> intended, 
> > can it be used easily, and is it maintainable.
> > 
> > In terms of tomcat, I give it a grade of incomplete on all three of
> > the above.  I can not tell if it does what its supposed to 
> because I 
> > can't get it to work with a reasonable amount of effort.
> > 
> > Here if my contribution to Jarkata and people looking for a low cost
> > Java solution.  Use JRUN (discalimer: I am not affiliated with 
> > Macromedia in any way).  It is under $1000 and includes a full J2EE 
> > implementation (JSP, servlets, EJB).  It looks like the installer 
> > does all the stuff that mod_jk, mod_jk2, and mod_web are 
> supposed to 
> > (if anyone could get them to work).  A development version is 
> > available for free.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >>  From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:mdichiappari@domanisoft.com]
> > >>  Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM
> > >>  To: Tomcat Users List
> > >>  Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this 
> open list !
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies
> > to Jakarta.
> > >>  It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate 
> documentation  
> > >> for tomcat.
> > >
> > >Are you volunteering to write some, Mike DiChiappari?  That
> > is how things
> > >get done: someone DOES them.
> > >
> > >If you don't know enough, you could skim the mailing list 
> looking for 
> > >questions, finding out when they were answered to the questioner's 
> > >satisfaction, and using that as your source material.
> > >
> > >Or do you just want answers to YOUR questions?
> > >
> > >	--- Noel
> > >
> > >
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